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Braiam

12:01 AM

@AstroCB my point exactly...

233 out 356 has swift too

hichris123

@JasonC You were paged to the Tavern. People were worried about you.

Undo

12:19 AM

Swift 2 has Real Changes (c)

And it isn't backwards-compatible without a few changes

Braiam

considering Brad's answer, the current [swift] tag, should cover the current/newest swift version.

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Undo

@SmokeDetector email time!

(@Doorknob)

Also, that spam is still alive

user259867

Doorknob isn't even pingable here, what's up with that?

Undo

12:29 AM

I know, but not sure it's public

He's not dead as of a few days ago

Status: NOT DEAD (may be invalid do to caching)

user259867

I can't concentrate on the puzzles because the UUOC in #2 is really bothering me. :P — Doorknob ♦ 4 hours ago

user259867

More recent than a few days.

Undo

Doorknob Status: NOT DEAD AS OF FOUR HOURS AGO

user259867

12:43 AM

0

Q: Um what to do if your a kid and want make a game

So me and my brother want to make a game and don't know how to start it off

pc

user259867

Today (07-19 UTC) is the 5th birthday of the most boring Stack Exchange site, Cross Validated. Congratulations!

user259867

Their timehop post is question #6: The Two Cultures: statistics vs. machine learning? by Shane on stats.stackexchange.com

Undo

okay, I need help

what's my verify code?

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@Undo that guy is still spamming?

user259867

@Undo On this site at the bottom there is a "Verify Code"...

Undo

12:52 AM

user259867

1:12 AM

> Love my apple watch, but talking to your wrist for a phone call is a good way to get dudes passing on Segways to be like, "What a LOSER." -- Jay Hanlon at 10:15 AM - 18 Jul 2015 via Twitter

user259867

@TimPost With all due respects, this are just being lazy programmers who is not wanting to makes really English good and red. 😝 — tchrist 22 mins ago

user259867

Odd. The symbol at the end renders on the site, but not in chat. Same browser (Chrome).

Braiam

😝

3

really?

maybe different fonts site vs chat?

user259867

Weird. In this window it doesn't render on the site, either. In another, it does.

Undo

I thought they didn't give $2 loans

tchrist

1:28 AM

@NormalHuman top talking me =~ y/t/ﬆ/

hichris123

@NormalHuman The fonts are probably different, like @Braiam said.

tchrist

Font shouldn’t matter.

user259867

It was a weird glitch, I suppose. After a refresh, it's back to normal, i.e., empty box.

hichris123

@tchrist Why not? If a font specified can render a glyph, the browser should use that font to render the glyph.

tchrist

@hichris123 I was talking about the opposite scenario.

hichris123

1:38 AM

Oh, I see.

I'm supposing that the fallback situation isn't that good (like... say... Chrome on Windows :P)

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user259867

@SmokeDetector rolled back

user259867

The OP blanked out the post again. Is it even on topic? Flag for a mod?

durron597

@NormalHuman Ugh I hate vandalizing / rollback wars

I tossed a mod flag on it.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@durron597 and what will they do?

user259867

1:45 AM

Thanks. Maybe a mod will just nuke the thing, eliminating the problem.

durron597

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Dunno, but there's nothing I can do about a rollback war

user259867

Actually, the OP could even delete the post themselves: if they unaccepted self-answer, deleted it, and then deleted the question. The other answer has no upvotes.

durron597

Lol he just changed his username to "I do not like stack overflow"

@NormalHuman And Martijn locked it

user259867

And now I can't delete my obsolete comment. Whatever.

durron597

@NormalHuman You could probably flag it for deletion

Tiny Giant

1:56 AM

Why lock it? The user obviously wants it deleted, why not just delete it?

durron597

@TinyGiant Ask Martijn. Probably on MSO I guess

user259867

No, I'm not flagging over such thing. Yes, deletion would be reasonable too... especially because it's kind of user-ish type of question.

durron597

I didn't suggest lock, I just said "the user is vandalizing their question"

Braiam

2:09 AM

@NormalHuman I got some fun trying to delete a selfQ way back thanks to that

delete Q: err accepted answer, delete answer: err: is accepted, unaccept&delete question: err. upvoted answer D:

@Undo kinda grammar broken okey

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2:45 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MY_SQLI_QUERY - ERROR QUERING DATABASE by Wincenty Bertoni Lech on pt.stackoverflow.com

user259867

0

A: Do you reply to questions on SO from your own experience?

I cut all my answers off the backs of cereal boxes. I figure, not everyone eats cereal, so i'm providing A Valuable Service to the Community by pasting them together and dumping them on SO. Sometimes, i don't feel like eating cereal. Then i look to a Magic 8-Ball for the answers. Not everyone ha...

tchrist

@Braiam I think you might have read the MSO perl5.10/5.8 guy's comment as saying the opposite of what he might have been saying. Maybe.

I think he said knowledge of one version WOULD carry over, not that it wouldn't. But yeah it was confusing.

durron597

@NormalHuman How does that not have an upvote? (it does now ;) )

user259867

Possibly, because it was posted 8 months after the activity in that thread died down...

tchrist

But you should know that perl6 is the next version of perl5 in the same way that java is the next version of C++. Does that make sense?

user259867

3:01 AM

Is it really that dramatic? Not like Python2 vs Python3?

tchrist

Bingo.

Exactly. NOT like python v2/3. Like C to Java.

Or awk to perl.

user259867

... should have named it something else then

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tchrist

@NormalHuman No shit.

hichris123

not perl v 1.0

durron597

3:08 AM

Pugs

Pugs is a compiler and interpreter for the Perl 6 programming language, started on February 1, 2005 by Audrey Tang. Pugs development is now placed on hiatus, with most Perl 6 implementation efforts now taking place on Rakudo. == Overview == The Pugs project aims to bootstrap Perl 6 by implementing the full Perl 6 specification, as detailed in the Synopses. It is written in Haskell, specifically targeting the Glasgow Haskell Compiler. Pugs includes two main executables: pugs is the interpreter with an interactive shell. pugscc can compile Perl 6 programs into Haskell code, Perl 5, JavaScript, or...

> The major/minor version numbers of Pugs converges to 2π (being reminiscent of TeX and METAFONT, which use a similar scheme); each significant digit in the minor version represents a successfully completed milestone. The third digit is incremented for each release. The current milestones are:

user259867

In today's sage advice:

user259867

55

A: Should Sarcasm be Acceptable?

Oh yeah. Sarcasm is totally acceptable. Also good: insulting the OP's mother.

user259867

But there are better comments there.

user259867

I thought you were being sarcastic in your title. Because it never occurred to me that sarcasm could ever be unacceptable. — jjnguy Jul 14 '09 at 18:10

tchrist

3:24 AM

@NormalHuman Thing is, they didn't know it was going to be different language. They thought it would be incremental change, not radical redesign. By the time they'd changed their minds and made a new language, it was too late to fix the name. That locked regular perl into the perl5 name and this new really different language into the perl6 name. And perl6 is really only an ivory-tower distraction that will never be production ready. It changes all the time and what works is 10-100x slower than perl.

Everybody wishes everything were different, but there's nothing to be done.

user259867

So, as Perl5 develops further in an incremental way, that will be 5.9, 5.99, 5.999, ...

tchrist

Huh?

"Ever decides"?

user259867

Okay, changed.

tchrist

Perl has regular monthly dev releases and regular annual stable releases.

Clockworklike.

Even release numbers are stable, odd release numbers are dev.

5.22 is current stable and 5.23.1(?) is current dev. Last year's was 5.20 and then 5.21.1-whatever.

It's constantly worked on.

But we can never change the first number. It sucks.

user259867

At least there is enough room for 40 years of development...

tchrist

3:29 AM

How so?

Nothing is stopping a 5.102.0 release.

Or 5.2001.0 either.

Version numbers are whole numbers, not percentages.

user259867

Yeah, I was thinking in decimal fraction terms. Should totally drop this chat and go close some questions instead.

tchrist

I did my chores for the night, thank you. :)

Perhaps one should go edit some questions instead of closing others.

I think we should go to year numbers: 5.2015.0 for this year, etc. :)

Do we really need to reopen this question, or should we delete it? Or get it locked? Or migrate it to offtopic.stackoverflow.com? :)

222

Q: Do you still limit line length in code?

This is a matter on which I would like to gauge the opinion of the community: Do you still limit the length of lines of code to a fixed maximum? This was certainly a convention of the past for many languages; one would typically cap the number of characters per line to a value such as 80 (and mo...

language-agnostic coding-style

It needs six more delete votes to delete and only four more reopen votes to reopen.

Sigh.

It is so totally POB.

user259867

"only four more reopen votes" is a lot.... it's out of 5, and reopen votes do age away.

user259867

Historical lock might make sense, I never know what exactly qualifies for it.

durron597

3:45 AM

@NormalHuman I got helpful on this historical lock request but, obviously, it didn't happen.

I was told to go ask in MSO.

user259867

On Math, the approach of mods is that the question should get deleted first; then they'll consider resurrecting in the locked state.

user259867

Of course, Math moderation is not necessarily similar to SO moderation, but this approach does make sense.

tchrist

Ok, then please go DV it some moar paleasy. :)

Heh, an OP utterly mistagged something that's a complete dup but in totally different tags. But I have Mjölnir in his originals so duphammered it then fixed the tags. :)

Not that ordering matters.

durron597

@tchrist haha but not the correct ones?

@tchrist Could you spare a delete vote on this?

tchrist

@durron597 Exactly! Cool ey?

1

Q: Grammar: Did Jim ask you whether you are a virgin? VS Did Jim ask you whether you were a virgin?

How do I form a question based on the following details: At 1pm on Sunday Jim: Are you a virgin? Jane: Yes nothing happened from 1pm to 9pm At 9pm on Sunday: Did Jim ask you whether you were a virgin? or At 9pm on Sunday: Did Jim ask you whether you are a virgin?

tenses backshifting past-vs-present

@durron597 I dunno, I only get so many a day. :)

durron597

3:55 AM

@tchrist You get as many in one day as I get in, what, 3? 4? :-P

tchrist

I dunno. I get 30.

I’ve already spent 4, now 5.

durron597

@tchrist 8 * 4 = 32, so about 4.

@tchrist Thanks! meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/298928/…

tchrist

What's Arabic up to for question count?

Portuguese is at 199.

user259867

Still where it was a few hours ago:

user259867

6 hours ago, by Normal Human

Portuguese.se: 194 questions, of them 7 either downvoted or closed.
Arabic.se: 58 questions, of them 13 either downvoted or closed.

tchrist

4:05 AM

Thanks.

Odd that Arabic has more than sextuple the "sour question" rate that Portuguese has.

(13/58)/(7/199) == 6.37...

user259867

Portuguese got a lot of SOpt users, who are somewhat familiar with the platform. Some of the folks on Arabic aren't even familiar with the concept of tags.

user259867

Seeing how popular is the question tag there.

tchrist

I see.

The number of answers per question is still pretty low on PT but this is a known issue.

"Muitas perguntas, poucas respostas" on Meta.

4

Portuguese Language – portuguese.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for linguists, teachers and learners wanting to discuss the finer points of the Portuguese language.

Currently in private beta.

Not bad stats for private beta.

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4:33 AM

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

5:00 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Would using a smaller screen help me play first-person shooters better? by tad on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

5:17 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: What does this light shaped like a cylinder mean? by user470842 on superuser.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

SmokeDetector

5:55 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How to design a timer-based web game (like Cafe World) by asdfsfas on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu-

user259867

@SmokeDetector del edited

SmokeDetector

7:25 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: How to combined ajax div by user3081581 on stackoverflow.com

Shadow Wizard

7:44 AM

@Norm normal display name, finally!

sd ignore edited

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard I haven't posted enough messages after the latest reboot to execute all commands.

Shadow Wizard

huh?

@SmokeDetector ignore edited

!!/flip someone

sd fpu-

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@ShadowWizard wrong roomz

Shadow Wizard

!!/flip @Unicorns

in Shadow's Den, 8 secs ago, by FOX 9000

@ShadowWizard (╯ಥਊಥ)╯︵suɹoɔᴉu∩@

yay!

hmm... guys/girls/ponies why is there an empty square with 2 stars in the starboard?

ProgramFOX

It isn't an empty square. It's a sort of emoticon.

Shadow Wizard

7:57 AM

@ProgramFOX not for me! D:

ProgramFOX

@ShadowWizard You use Chrome, I guess? Then: gschoppe.com/uncategorized/…

Shadow of the Shadow

oh my, IE does show it

ProgramFOX

Firefox does, too.

Shadow Wizard

weird

bummi

8:23 AM

My seedy feeling on his questions get increased by his last question: serverfault.com/q/706852/185961

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9:05 AM

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Pandya

9:25 AM

when (first) moderator election has been scheduled for beta site?

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Pandya

@ShadowWizard I am thinking to start bounty on that question as second suggestion seems helpful. What do you think about? (any suggestion?)

Can I expect the solution/feature (status-completed) after bounty?

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9:56 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: C# Error, very confused by Joshua Personti on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Double Sided Faces by VuilVeters on blender.stackexchange.com

Pandya

10:19 AM

opensource.SE has no moderator. who can help for this (whom to request)?

SmokeDetector

10:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected in title: (python) error message about the code 3221225477 by Nelly Hung on stackoverflow.com

gnat

folks, I just noticed we've got two tags at MSE that look similar: original-author (17 questions) and original-poster (9 questions). Would it make sense to synonymize them?

rene

I never saw OA used though... but I will support that if posted...

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11:12 AM

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rene

sd edited-

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Future tense usage: “When you see it …” by Serg on english.stackexchange.com

rene

@SmokeDetector tpu-

@SmokeDetector ignore- whatever... 2011

bummi

could we get this closed or at least protected before it gets an answer? superuser.com/q/941815/172747

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@gnat Both of the tags have too few questions to matter.

rene

11:26 AM

@bummi I left a comment and flagged, that is all I could do for you.

bummi

@rene thanks rene, same suspected seed here: stackoverflow.com/q/31473831/1699210

rene

voted

bummi

thx

gnat

11:43 AM

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ yeah that was my concern too. How about retagging? author->poster (not the other way 'round because original-poster will likely eventually resurrect even if we delete it now)

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rene

@gnat I think that is also an option given that we consider OP to be the term we use, not author (or OA for that matter)

gnat

@rene okay this means 17 questions to retag. My plan is, first to flag for moderator to synonymize (I'll refer them here for details) and if flag gets declined, proceed with retagging. Any objections?

...if moderator prefers synonymize, this would mean less clutter at front page (and no risk for someone resurrecting original-author by mistake). If not, no big deal

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@gnat post on MSE for retag request

if no consensus, don't do anything

rene

@gnat I can live with that but I think @U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ 's proposal is cleaner... just saying...

gnat

12:06 PM

0

Q: Tag synonym proposal: [original-author] -> [original-poster]

Suggest to make tag original-author (18 questions tagged as of now) to be a synonym of original-poster (9 questions). Preference for master tag, even though it has less questions, is because I believe it is used more (it even has an entry in the SE glossary). Given low amount of questions inv...

support tag-synonyms synonym-request

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@ShadowWizard I see something

But if you want,

Star it

maveň

@SPArchaeologist you should look here :p

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@maveň ME?

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@gnat Great!

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Err @U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ you name is borked

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

12:19 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Yes?

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

Browser?

It should look like this:

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ firefox

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

WHoops

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Why the change?

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

12:21 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy dunno lol

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

And your website is borked

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

in Java<> on Stack Overflow Chat, Jul 2 at 16:04, by Unihedron

I'm logging into my domain registrar and changing unihedro.com to point to http://www.eternalmoonwalk.com/

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Now its an empty site

With a link to install flash

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

that's totally just your fault. xD

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ :(

Can someone scold someone?

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

12:33 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy I forbid it.

Braiam

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy I scowl at it

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Not you, a dev at SE

7 secs ago, by Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Not you, a dev at SE

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy No.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Why?

Braiam

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Never

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

12:34 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Yes.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

9 secs ago, by Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Why?

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Yay!

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Kidding.

Braiam

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Because.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Noooo

@Braiam Because what?

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Ha. Gotcha.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

12:35 PM

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Cries in corner

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Yes.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: May one engage in secular entertainment prior to the morning prayers? by Mccart Wisdom on judaism.stackexchange.com

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

1 min ago, by Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ Yay!

@SmokeDetector One hour later...

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Yay!

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ So start scolding now?

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

12:37 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy No.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Hello @AvinashRaj

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

I don't have time for this.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ :(

Avinash Raj

Hi..

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

(/me goes back to work)

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

12:38 PM

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ /me has no work

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

Good for you.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

Anyone knows how to clean up stars?

Avinash Raj

I looking for the source code of SO bot in github written in python.

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy Call a RO.

@AvinashRaj Smokey?

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

!!/help

SmokeDetector

12:39 PM

@UnicornsAreVeryVeryYummy I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector

dammit.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ If I am one?

Avinash Raj

@U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶ is this written in python?

ya, thanks.

Unicorns Are Very Very Yummy

yep

U̶n̶i̶h̶e̶d̶r̶o̶n̶

@AvinashRaj Yes. It uses the ChatExchange framework, written in python.