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The way to design a dartboard such that you always hit a bulleye is simple: stand at the very center of a giant dartboard which is flat on the ground and throw a dart wherever you please. Since each concentric circle is a league further out, you cannot fail to hit a bullseye.

Mgetz

@tchrist or a spherical dartboard, where the inside of the sphere is the bullseye

Roombatron5000

just needs 2 more dv's stackoverflow.com/a/1635887/3041194 cc: @hic

tchrist

1:10 AM

I thought of that, too. It's the old problem of guaranteeing that any step you take will take you north.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Is it possible to complete Shelter without losing any cubs? by fmjuh on gaming.stackexchange.com

FOX 9000

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Is it possible to complete Shelter without losing any cubs? by fmjuh on gaming.stackexchange.com

yellowantphil

@tchrist I can’t wait for you to justify writing “bulleye”

tchrist

@yellowantphil Do not provoke me. It will not end well.

yellowantphil

@tchrist it ended well last time

ASCIIThenANSI

1:12 AM

I can help this person out, but his question is being downvoted. Should I answer this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/30009204/is-sizeof-a-keyword

hichris123

@Roombatron5000 One more.

Roombatron5000

@2mk ^

thanks all, completed

ASCIIThenANSI

@Mgetz The one answer there is wrong (to the extent of my knowledge, anyways.)

Mgetz

@ASCIIThenANSI it's been 8 years since I've used java on a regular basis, so I can't say

tchrist

@yellowantphil Opinions are like _________: everyone has one. Most people know better than to flaunt one of those in public, let alone both. Now that we've seen both from you, do be civil and put your pants back on.

Roombatron5000

1:15 AM

thanks all, completed

ASCIIThenANSI

@Mgetz The answer itself doesn't matter, it's whether or not I should answer it.

Mgetz

@tchrist such starbait

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ASCIIThenANSI

@Mgetz Star ALL the messages!

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Mgetz

5

Q: sizeof java object

How can we find out the size of a java object?? Example: class Person{ String name; int age; public Person(String n, int a){ name = n; age = a; } } Person person = new Person("Andy", 30); now how can I know the size of person object?? Tha...

yellowantphil

@Roombatron5000 I’m surprised nobody is upvoting when you post those

Mgetz

1:17 AM

possible dupe of that?

TimWolla

@Roombatron5000 Why aren't those questions deleted in complete?

Looks like nothing of value in there.

Jason C

Not quite. That one asks how to find the size of an object. The other asks if sizeof is a keyword. Although the root problem might be the same, who knows.

Roombatron5000

@TimWolla you mean why aren't they deleted already? They'll delete in a couple hours when roomba runs.

Jason C

I just down voted for lack of research then moved on.

Mgetz

@JasonC then my close vote will be ignored

TimWolla

1:20 AM

@Roombatron5000 Ah, that auto deletion thingy?

yellowantphil

and then after the roomba roombs, we get our rep back for downvoting answers

Roombatron5000

@TimWolla yep

Jason C

Yeah but dont downvote answers just to help out roomba. That's lame. Just delete vote the question.

Roombatron5000

@JasonC lots of us don't have delete votes yet

Jason C

Then its not your problem to handle.

yellowantphil

1:22 AM

don’t listen to Jason

TimWolla

@JasonC I delete voted the question as well.

yellowantphil

users may vote however they like

Roombatron5000

@JasonC not much difference than asking cv-plz on things

Jason C

@Shog9 Can you please explain to everybody how downvoting answers just for roomba is whack? I'm sick of talking about it.

I mean if they're crap answers then yeah.

yellowantphil

they are

all of them

Roombatron5000

1:23 AM

@JasonC an answer recommended Drupal for CMS question, not much value there

Jason C

But if you wouldn't take the same action if roomba didn't exist, then dont take the action.

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yellowantphil

imagines life without roomba

decides SO is boring. logs off and proceeds to clean office

hichris123

@JasonC Would you really recommend SO as a VB.Net forum?

Jason C

Yeah, probably.

Roombatron5000

@JasonC votes are limited resource, best to use them wisely, just like close votes.. would you vote to close a question that you knew 100% for fact wouldn't end up closed?

that's a wasted vote (yes there is such a thing)

Jason C

1:26 AM

Yes. Because if I CV it the chance drops below 100%.

My votes are never a waste, even if nobody agrees. Its how I state my opinion.

tchrist

Notice the badges awarded for deleting posts.

Jason C

Bbl dryers done.

TimWolla

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/30009245/…

Roombatron5000

delete-votes-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/5712931/…

max-m

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Roombatron5000

1:30 AM

gone, ty

tchrist

@max-m LOOK AT THE CAT BEING TORTURED!

max-m

@tchrist I guess it landed safe … I hope.

ASCIIThenANSI

@tchrist 3 people in the image. That's a Geico commercial. Geico has 5 letters. 3 + 5 = 8. The tortured cat has 4 legs. 8 * 4 = 32. The cat is in a green field. "Green" is 5 letters long. 32 - (5 * 4) = 32 - 20 = 12. (The 4 comes from the cat's legs, which will soon be in the field.) But wait! The woman in the middle is wearing a blue shirt. "Blue" has 4 letters. 12 / 4 = 3.

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Half-Life 3 is confirmed.

Roombatron5000

@ASCIIThenANSI isn't it esurance?

Jason C

Damn you towels

ASCIIThenANSI

1:35 AM

@Roombatron5000 I thought it was Geico.

Roombatron5000

no, i think they used that commercial to diss geico , like "geico- it's not how insurance works anymore) .. haven't seen it in a while though

ASCIIThenANSI

@Roombatron5000 Still, replace 'is a Geico commercial' with 'Geico was made fun of in this commercial', and HL3 is still confirmed.

Roombatron5000

just think if insurance companies used all their adversting money to pay out claims instead.. everyone better off

Mgetz

@Roombatron5000 have you noticed the decline in healthcare insurance ads since Obamacare? That's because they have to spend 80% of premiums on care

Roombatron5000

@Mgetz i haven't noticed any decline personally

ASCIIThenANSI

1:45 AM

I don't watch TV. All my information is directly through the internet, connected by the tube in my spine.

I am also a robot.

bjb568

2:06 AM

(nothing)

hichris123

2:18 AM

:( SEDE hasn't updated yet.

bjb568

Go poke somebody.

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AstroCB

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Q: jQuery 'Whack-A-Mole'-type game issue

I'm creating a Whack-A-Mole type of game for my Javascript class. I've been trying to figure out how to make it so that the user can only click the "mole" once. As it is right now, I can repeatedly click the "mole" as it fades out. The "moles" are added in dynamically so I couldn't seem to get .o...

javascript jquery

Jason C

@ASCIIThenANSI I too look forward to a future where we have the technology to establish direct neural links to tubgirl, goatse.cx, lemon party, and 2 girls 1 cup.

@AstroCB Based on some of the related questions, I wonder if we should have whack-a-mole

user259867

2:33 AM

@hichris123 Last update was after Sunday 6 am (UTC), which is typical. It's more than 24 hours until the update time.

tchrist

I have a new whack-a-mole game you should all play: sift through the list of Suggested Edits that wind up being marked Controversial looking for mistakes, and roll back any you find which are clearly whacked. You will be doing your Community a service.

hichris123

@2mkgz Uh... it is Sunday UTC.

ASCIIThenANSI

You know what would be cool? Modern games in text-based representations.

tchrist

SE is just such a game.

ASCIIThenANSI

@tchrist jaw drops

tchrist

2:39 AM

It’s the controversial approvals that need closer scrutiny, because they are the ones that change a post in error. Controversial rejections that are wrong make nothing worse. I’m finding an error rate of at least one in ten, maybe worse.

Here are today’s.

ASCIIThenANSI

@tchrist The page you're trying to visit requires the privilege “access moderator tools.”

I am sad now.

tchrist

Oh.

If you have a favorite posting of yours I can upvote, would that help a little? :)

AstroCB

Thanks for the clarification! This helps. I'll be sure to reword my questions so they are not too broad and keep to the point. The going south comment was from information read from many different prior users. I assume they were just unhappy. Again thanks for the clarification you did help me understand more, the purpose of the site. — Joe VanHorn 28 secs ago

That's new – a disenchanted user who isn't mad about someone telling them that Stack Overflow isn't ending in an apocalyptic firestorm.

ASCIIThenANSI

@tchrist Nah, I'm just messing around. Really, there's not much I have on the site, aside from a couple good code golfs, and one interesting question over on Arqade.

@AstroCB Are... are they learning? Have we done it?

Jason C

@ASCIIThenANSI Great success!

ASCIIThenANSI

2:47 AM

@JasonC Hooray!

tchrist

@AstroCB apoplectic shitstorm ⋘ apocalyptic firestorm

I really wish there were a way to filter on just the tag wiki suggested edits.

People do such ugly things there.

AstroCB

@tchrist feature-request

tchrist

This one I did a double-take on seeing Jon Ericson appear to approve it: :)

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7919720

But it wasn’t really him. :)

No, I’m not rolling that one back, although I tend to agree with the minority report.

Man, what is it with SO people rejecting spelling corrections as too minor?! I don’t think correcting a dozen-plus orthographic infelicities all in a single post should count as “too minor”. Broken windows, guys, broken windows.

ASCIIThenANSI

@tchrist If you're having problems with that, try rewording it better and call it 'improved grammar'

AstroCB

@tchrist My favorite ones are the one-character "typo fixes" that actually change it to an incorrect spelling and then add [This is for the character limit] at the bottom.

tchrist

3:01 AM

@ASCIIThenANSI Oh, they can’t reject my edits. :) I’m auditing controversial ones.

@AstroCB Yeah, those are annoying.

user259867

Have you noticed how disgusting tinypic is? Not just banner ads, also autoplaying video.

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user259867

The links to the images there appear to be direct (with .png or .jpg extension), but that's a lie.

user259867

My point is: stackoverflow.com/search?q=url%3Atinypic brings up 5000+ results.

tchrist

ew

ASCIIThenANSI

@2mkgz It's everywhere.

user259867

3:04 AM

If there was a bot to edit those posts re-uploading images to stack.imgur...

user259867

But manual edits are usually better anyway, an opportunity to fix up other things.

ASCIIThenANSI

@2mkgz Or, we could just do it ourselves, and gain all the rep! Problem, system?

user259867

Yep, that's my plan. :)

Jan Dvorak

@2mkgz prime adblock candidate

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/30009795/…

ASCIIThenANSI

3:06 AM

@2mkgz In fact, how do you upload to stack.imgur? Because I want some rep. And a lot of it.

user259867

@ASCIIThenANSI Add image -> from the web -> enter direct URL

tchrist

I really wanna bonk people who approve crap that just adds random backticks all over the stupid posting to make it look like a ransom note. Seriously.

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ASCIIThenANSI

@2mkgz So just add an image link and SE takes care of the rest?

@hichris123 Ugh, flagged and then an edit was made. Now it's gonna be declined.

Jan Dvorak

@tchrist interesting userscript idea

tchrist

If you’re going to edit, fricking really edit and make it better. Don’t go all fugly on the fonting and leave the rest of it a disaster.

user259867

3:09 AM

@ASCIIThenANSI Yes; but you need the real, direct URL to the image. Can be found by visiting the ad-infested site and copying image URL.

ASCIIThenANSI

@2mkgz Eww... I'm having second thoughts. On the other hand, free internet points. Hmm...

tchrist

It’s bad enough that somebody tries to do this in the first place, but that it gets approved proves to me that these are robo-approvals damn them all.

Hey, can we get some edit audits?

I mean, like ringers to catch them doing stupid things?

Or is that too hard to set up?

Jan Dvorak

We do

tchrist

I thought so.

ASCIIThenANSI

@2mkgz Yeah, I'm not doing it. It's bad enough that this exists, but now I can't find the actual URL?

hichris123

3:12 AM

We have some... blatant audits.

tchrist

I wish there were audit challenges for the ransom-note problem.

Those could be constructed programmatically.

Ok, this is tiring.

And this is crap: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7914242

I had to go fix it all by hand. And it’s a lame closable question.

Sigh.

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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BACKGROUND SUBTRACTION OPENCV by SAMBCCHAN on stackoverflow.com

tchrist

Well, he’s trying to help.

I guess most have been approved. Just some of the short ones people didn’t like.

ASCIIThenANSI

Who else likes the new 'people reached' feature?

Braiam

@tchrist I learned to love all the same, and whack them with all the love I have for them

tchrist

3:26 AM

@ASCIIThenANSI As long as it isn’t reached out to.

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Add line breaks in emails sent through SendGrid in PHP by Ali Shaikh on programmers.stackexchange.com

tchrist

Is that the real smokey?

Jan Dvorak

Yes

tchrist

3:47 AM

Okay, it is definitely less unfun going through the ELU controversial suggestions than through the SO ones. Because the SO ones people never ever do enough to make the posting better.

I’m not saying either is fun. But SO is uglier because people more seem to just be trying to rep whore, not to help make postings better.

Yes, it happens everywhere. Still.

I think we need an Invigilator badge.

Braiam

@tgm1024 well, if they feel bad is their prerogative. We shouldn't go tiptoeing just to be careful we don't hurt someone's feeling. The question just doesn't meet Stack Overflow quality standards and isn't within the scope of expertise Stack Overflow aims to offer. That's all there is. If they feel bad or not, that's not our interest. — Braiam 10 secs ago

yet another "we shouldn't hurt OP feelings" discussion

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Accidentally restored from husband's iPhone backup, how to undo? by HELEN hellen on apple.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu spam

SmokeDetector

@2mkgz Blacklisted user.

user259867

An implausible username, too.

bjb568

4:29 AM

Night!

tchrist

@Roombatron5000 It's fairly feasible these days to ward yourself again virtually all aggressive, abusive spamvertising. If you are one of the many who have done this, it might as well be dark matter for how much it affects you.

Roombatron5000

@hichris123 usually is completed around 6-9 AM UTC Sunday

tchrist

//translate en es? O sea que quieres que lo traduzca a castellano? de veras?

Roombatron5000

@tchrist *against?

tchrist

@Roombatron5000 yes

Roombatron5000

4:44 AM

@tchrist yea.. i bet they even have advertising directed at unborn babies in pregnant women shows now a days

tchrist

Just ditch 100% of commercial/unfiltered TV and radio, run an ad blocker, and live somewhere that makes billboards illegal.

Unihedron

kill-plz stackoverflow.com/q/29992802/3622940

Hobo Sapiens

5:21 AM

one-clv-pls Question in Spanish stackoverflow.com/questions/30009961/…

ASCIIThenANSI

5:54 AM

@Unihedron Are you sure you don't mean 'murder viciously'?

Also, killed.

Braiam

the fact that there are ~500 items in the H&I queue makes me worried

user259867

6:10 AM

Why? A large number of review tasks is needed so that tag filtering is practical.

user259867

Since the tasks drop out of that queue with age, its size is under SE control: adjusting parameters will make it smaller or larger.

user259867

And the queue is mostly a PR move anyway, so who cares.

Braiam

@2mkgz is just not a realistic number

I bet only a fraction of those would actually be fixed into a desirable state

bummi

6:55 AM

that name: apple.stackexchange.com/a/184538/55266

JonasCz

7:20 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29994754/…

I wish we could have the lacks minimal understanding close reason back, it would be perfect..

SmokeDetector

7:43 AM

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7:53 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why does my cat hold its mouth slightly open sometimes after smelling something? by trdy5eyhdegyey on pets.stackexchange.com

bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user.

SmokeDetector

8:15 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Blade link to script by Salar on stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

8:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: H2 ALTER TABLE ADD COLUMN BEFORE/AFTER by dendini on dba.stackexchange.com

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9:23 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: What are differences between "let", "allow" and "permit"? by eunhye on english.stackexchange.com

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9:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: APT-GET INSTALL UBUNTU 15.04 by Sagaryal on askubuntu.com

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10:06 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PLEASE TELL ME THE PRICE AND SPECIFICATION OF FOLLOWING LAPTOPS IN INDIA? by VOXRAZR on superuser.com

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12:10 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: If $X$ is qualified set then $w(S_1^X)=2^{n-r}$ by user224882 on math.stackexchange.com

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12:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Comparison between two objects by Bernard Akoto on english.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

2:01 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: EXTRACT FASTA SEQUENCE FROM ORIGINAL FASTA FILE DEPENDING ON ANOTHER SEQUENCE HEDAER FILE by Rahul Banik on stackoverflow.com

JonasCz

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/30011670/word-search-game-in-canvas

Morning!

Morning!

Morning!

2:16 PM

Morning!

JonasCz

Afternoon !

TimWolla

^

Unihedron

>:( CATCH THE TRAIN WRECKER

TimWolla

cv-pls-now stackoverflow.com/questions/30014685/…

hichris123

Is... this NAA?

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A: What type of gem is this?

How is it found meaning what is like to know what to clarify on this same resources what is do call that once more,,

I can't even comprehend it.

JonasCz

2:20 PM

VLQ Certainly.

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 yeah, looks more like a comment asking the OP to clarify something

TimWolla

Oh yeah. My third gold badge on Stack Overflow :-)

tchrist

TIL voting in Russian must be unanimous or else people will think it's fishy -- just the opposite of everywhere else.

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Q: Constantly voting not like others in review queues

Are there any rules against constantly voting not like others in review queues? If yes, do the rules apply only to sites where they are enforced by the engine, in the form of review audits*, or are they universal and apply to all sites in the Stack Exchange network, including beta sites where re...

discussion review moderation review-audits beta-sites

Rules? Why there no rules to stop terrible thing?

I don't think I would enjoy SE con salsa Putineska, thank you very much.

Jan Dvorak

I disag.. oh, wait, are there mods here?

Doorknob

glares

bjb568

2:34 PM

also glares

Doorknob

glares at @bjb for unwarranted glaring

tchrist

In Russia, the votes glare at the voters.

bjb568

glares back at everyone

tchrist

And take naughty-and-nice notes.

I wonder whether he shall be unsurprised if all the votes on his question go the same way. Or don't.

bummi

2:55 PM

blacklist candidate ecouponcode.org

tchrist

3:19 PM

Hm, maybe he is asking for rules about moderator-imposed review bans, not the automatic ones from failled programmed audits. I doubt you will get 100% agreement by all mods on this sort of thing, because it has to be handled on a case-by-case basis and involves human judgement not ironclad rules.

Jan Dvorak

But... russia is all about ironclad rules

tchrist

No, that's Germany, where the children are watching. :) Russia is all about unwritten de facto rules created at whim by whoever is currently in power and which nobody is ever sure of.

bjb568

OMGOMGOMG I GOT THE LTF3 BETA

tchrist

Austria might have been an even better example than Germany.

bjb568

Are you guys discussing politics again?

Unihedron

3:25 PM

@bjb568 What's LTF?

bjb568

Uh oh, somebody said germany while talking about review.

@Unihedron learn to fly

Unihedron

... k

bjb568

You can play ltf2 now.

tchrist

@bjb568 No, about human judgement versus automatic zappage.

rene

I had a bug, I'm sorry ... too many requests from this IP, more requests available in 66978 seconds

hichris123

3:28 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29951376/…

@rene lol I did that once.

Ran a cronjob every second instead of every minute.

Braiam

@tchrist consistently doing so (going against the community consensus about the scope) is worrying

tchrist

I suppose I am going to have to update my answer to mention the human factor in mod decisions compared with the algorthmic rules of failed audits.

@Braiam It may be. But I would not trust an algorithm to make a call on that. I would prefer a human(e) exception handler.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 Not as bad as doing a network request every 60 milliseconds instead of doing every 60 seconds...

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29967836/…

@ProgramFOX ... ouch.

tchrist

@ProgramFOX What's the prefix for a sixtieth of a second?

rene

3:33 PM

I verified that setTimeout takes milliseconds as its second parameter and the backoff is in seconds....

ProgramFOX

@tchrist I... have no idea.

tchrist

So one tick of something running a 60 hz.

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29955797/…

ProgramFOX

@bummi added to the ever-growing list of blacklisted websites ;)

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29947223/…

tchrist

3:34 PM

tries to think of something sexy

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29916801/…

tchrist

A sexagesimosecond?

bjb568

@tchrist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc pretty sure there aint one

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29894902/…

ProgramFOX

@tchrist Now that's something I'm going to use when I want nobody to understand what I'm talking about.

:P

Braiam

3:35 PM

@tchrist I think there are auto flags for moderator attention if the result of review tasks doesn't align with the way you acted in X% of times

bjb568

@tchrist It's easier if you go on trips with middle s… oh never mind

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29863923/raspberry-pi-not-booting

Braiam

@hichris123 tl;dr: cv-pls ubuntu

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29968175/…

bummi

@ProgramFOX thanks, btw, you know DragonLords list? meta.superuser.com/questions/9249/…

hichris123

3:36 PM

@Braiam :P

ProgramFOX

@bummi No, I'll check it out.

tchrist

@ProgramFOX Every Romance speaker would instantly know that 60 were involved, although it is unclear whether it is *60 ot /60.

hichris123

@bummi All of 'em are in except the latest edit. cc @ProgramFOX.

So rev 13 should be added.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 Ok, I'll add the latest rev then.

hichris123

k

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29818207/…

bummi

3:38 PM

@hichris123 thanks, good to know.

tchrist

@bjb568 Degrees, minutes, seconds make up a sexagesimal system, right?

Yeah.

... Whoa.

Woe?

I've stopped saving up for the most expensive drone and just bought as many Stingers as I could, and instantly got enough territory to buy three Expansions.

#replanning

ProgramFOX

3:41 PM

all blacklisted sites added

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29918013/…

Unihedron

shot dead :)

bummi

fine :)

hichris123

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29849938/…