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1:02 AM

@BradLarson: I do not agree about this, I am afraid. I agree about the reputation removal if it is a fake account, but if it is not, why would you use the score provided the account has found your answer useful, no matter whether that user wishes to continue using SO as a registered user. — Final Contest 20 secs ago

Shall I expand on that as answer or should I submit a feature request?

I will submit a FR I think.

hichris123

813

Q: Don't throw away all votes when a user is deleted

Currently, when a moderator deletes a user all of the user's votes are removed along with the user himself. I was pretty surprised at this behaviour when I first heard about it, and I don't think it is a good idea to throw away all of the votes just because the user is deleted. Votes are locked ...

bjb568

I agree with the FR, but only when the user requests deletion.

Final Contest

a fake can also request self-deletion, and an otherwise deleted account, like rude still should have the right to vote IMHO

an offensive account does not mean fraud-voting, a fake account does.

Final Contest

1:26 AM

@bjb568: ->

0

Q: Do not remove scores for non-fake (puppet) user removal

I just came across several user deletion the last couple of days in my history. I am not much concerned about the reputation, but for sure, score is a type of measure on Stack Overflow how good a post is. The help center says: This message means that a user who voted for one of your posts h...

feature-request down-votes up-votes deleted-users

user0000000

2:15 AM

lol... -10 like 3 times...

Nothing to worry about, I think your post is a duplicate too

I also think that if the user has any decent amount of activity , than the votes and posts stay..

Unless, it's a sock puppet account, then the votes would be removed, but not if it's a legitimate user that just wants to delete his account

ɥʇǝS

3:15 AM

cv-pls: stackoverflow.com/questions/172563/…

DroidDev

4:57 AM

just read the word unicorn and wasn't able to resist the urge to post it here, sorry

bjb568

:D

Final Contest

5:09 AM

@bjb568: are you still around?

bjb568

Where else would I be?

Final Contest

1

Q: Do not remove votes for non-fraud (puppet) user removal

I just came across several user deletions the last couple of days in my history. I am not much concerned about the reputation, but for sure, score is a type of measure on Stack Overflow how good a post is. The help center says: This message means that a user who voted for one of your posts ...

feature-request down-votes up-votes deleted-users

you might want to submit an answer different to slugster

the point is that usually the first answer gets shitload of upvotes usually.

and then it is hard to err... change that with any late answer sadly.

@bjb568: ^

bjb568

Ok, ok.

R.J

Is it Monday today, anywhere in the world? SPAM : meta.stackexchange.com/q/234265/216721

bjb568

@FinalContest I don't have much intelligent to say.

Final Contest

5:18 AM

ok

bjb568

Got deputy badge on MSE.

(ie spam gone'd)

Shadow Wizard

6:52 AM

Something is wrong again. No Bart in the starboard.

bjb568

Oh noes!

Jan Dvorak

SPAM tex.stackexchange.com/questions/185577/…

DroidDev

woah! I am there at pole position :P

bjb568

gone

user0000000

7:10 AM

Sweet, we can finally see who the fastest gun in the west is! data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/189418/…

question closed in 12 seconds stackoverflow.com/questions/23810728/…

bjb568

Wow.

Comment too.

DroidDev

that was the hammer

user0000000

LOL.. he also has 2nd place stackoverflow.com/questions/23955905/sort-multiple-array-php 13 seconds

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev yup

@bjb568 Fast And Furious

DroidDev

LOL

bjb568

7:12 AM

John Conde seems like the king of hammering.

DroidDev

at 3rd also

user0000000

4th also... 17 sec

DroidDev

how does he find the exact duplicate so fast?

he might be having multiple screens like JanDvorak....

R.J

It is all indexed in his mind :)

bjb568

@JohnConde The unicorns love you! You closed this question in 12 seconds, a record, while also leaving a comment. — bjb568 28 secs ago

Shadow Wizard

7:14 AM

By the way, can we name the hammer Mjolnir? Sound fitting.

DroidDev

6th and 7th place also owned by him

bjb568

@Shadow People already call it that, so I guess.

Shadow Wizard

@bjb568 really? Great!

DroidDev

If we are gonna name hammer Mjolnir then JohnConde should be Thor, because he is most skilled in using that weapon.

bjb568

Or, you know, JohnConde.

user0000000

7:18 AM

geeze.. 49 seconds is the current record for meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254722/… , mod's are too slow!

bjb568

WTH? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5096472

DroidDev

49 secs??? That doesn't even qualify for league of fastest gun in west competition

Shadow Wizard

@user0000000 now go see the fastest status change in MSE! Think Oded got the record, less than a minute to decline something.

@bjb568 wow, total change of code. Two robo approvers.

rene

I already upvoted this anyone else who wants to give a sympathy vote?

Shadow Wizard

@rene "sympathy vote" is something we really should NOT do

upvote if the question/answer is good and deserves it - period.

rene

7:27 AM

Ok, fair enough

Shadow Wizard

Also it's a meta site, votes have little meaning :)

rene

What? Is it all virtual what we're doing?

DroidDev

no, Unicorns are real

Shadow Wizard

@rene this, and the fact there is no reputation in per site meta so downvotes don't sting and upvotes don't really give anything

By the way, I smell edit war coming. meta.stackexchange.com/posts/105244/revisions

Lance is not going to be happy when he notice this.

rene

What the f***!

user0000000

7:33 AM

@rene flagged

Stijn

Uhm, is anyone else having issues with i.stack.imgur.com? Some avatars aren't loading for me and every time I visit the image, I need to fill in a cloudflare captcha...

rene

@user0000000 That is deserved...so that gives me 30 minutes of quality time

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn not now but sometimes it takes a few seconds to load. Maybe imgur servers are overloaded?

Oh, Captcha for seeing image?! That's a new one.

rene

@Stijn Specific profile or just random? They seem to load fine for me...

Stijn

@rene it was random, some loaded and some didn't

but it seems to be over now

bjb568

7:41 AM

no-repro

bjb568

7:54 AM

Goodnight.

DroidDev

@bjb568 Goodnight

SPArchaeologist

@bjb568 Night, pony.

DroidDev

@SPArchaeologist morning, pony

SPArchaeologist

8:09 AM

@DroidDev Morning everypony :P

(done, added "everypony" to the dictionary. No red more underline for me)

DroidDev

OK, which IDE does spell check for you?

DroidDev

8:49 AM

shouldn't this be closed as too-broad now?

rene

Or closed against those dupes?

DroidDev

something should be done, close for anything, the question is just asking for code, straight "with an example"

CapDroid

Hello, May I talk to any moderator ?

rene

You may talk but we are not moderators...

How can we help?

CapDroid

ha ha ha...

@balpha hey, you there?

balpha

9:04 AM

yeah

CapDroid

look at this guy

user3755646

21 1

android google-maps latitude-longitude

he created new a/c

his previous a/c was deleted

chat.stackoverflow.com/users/1957252/andy-dev

and his one more a/c is suspended

now he taking revenge on me and did flag on my many messages

that's why I am suspended for 2 hours.

I am not worry about my suspended but please take some action for this types of guys.

balpha

you wouldn't be suspended just because of on flag though, several users must have flagged

CapDroid

I'm not worry about my suspended..but this guy have many a/c

so just take some action for this guy, nothing else

balpha

I'm worried about the suspension though -- after all six people must be part of the revenge then

> btw achhi pic thi

what does that mean?

CapDroid

its means "by the way pic was good."

some one is put ghost pic, that's why I said that..

DroidDev

9:11 AM

picture was good, to be exact

balpha

yeah, that flagging spree doesn't look legit at all

I've unsuspended you, will look at the flags & users now

CapDroid

but why this guy suddenly come in room and flagging only on my message?

Shadow Wizard

@balpha if someone got enough socks with 20+ rep he can suspend anyone he wants from chat, no?

CapDroid

okey, thanks...!!! @balpha

balpha

@CapDroid how do you know it was that particular user?

CapDroid

9:13 AM

@balpha I read some history...

balpha

what does that mean?

CapDroid

@balpha you mean, how I knew that "same user have three a/c?", right?

balpha

no, I mean how would you know who cast the flags? Even I don't know that yet

CapDroid

@balpha this user come in room and flagging start

balpha

so you're just guessing

CapDroid

9:15 AM

I know rest users, they can't do that

rest all are my good friends, they can't do that

Shadow Wizard

@balpha that user @CapDroid mentioned has only one answer on SO which is exact copy of this one. Not really a constructive user.

Alex

that's immoral

Shadow Wizard

@Alex that's illegal way to get access to chat fast.

Possibly he also used two socks to upvote.

Alex

not only immoral but against the rules! this behaviour must be stopped

but i imagine it's not easy to stop it, probably easier to cleanup once it's detected

i think it's clear there's something fishy going on, i'm not sure what should be done though

Shadow Wizard

@Alex user break the rules, user should be suspended. Simple as that.

Alex

9:24 AM

which user though, it they have many accounts how can you know which one to suspend? all of them?

also, what can be done to prevent this kind of thing in the future? i mean, instead of threatening with punishment, is there another way

DroidDev

I think there is a feature, that prevents activity from a particular IP or something like that

Shadow Wizard

@Alex in case of sock puppets, the socks are usually nuked and the master account suspended. Mods got tools to detect those things.

rene

@BradLarson I've checked the answers until Mar 4th, 2014 I'll check a couple more during the day...

rene

9:46 AM

Hmmm, looks like the time restriction on SEDE queries is no longer in place...19411 rows returned in 3266956 ms

Stijn

@rene a query of almost one hour?

rene

Yeah, looks like it...

I did run it and then left it running assuming it would timeout...

sp00m

Hi, I believe one guy is having two SO accounts so that he can upvote himself. Should I alert someone or better let it be?

CapDroid

you just show both account, moderator will see.

sp00m

stackoverflow.com/users/3713749/user3713749 and stackoverflow.com/users/3145373/user3145373-%E3%83%84

I can also be wrong, be it's still quite suspicious (especially what hapened here: stackoverflow.com/questions/24302468/…)

CapDroid

9:53 AM

@balpha check this two account.

Alex

ツ

SPArchaeologist

.... returned to the old db. 5 hours down the "water" but at least I can return to poco, code first and normalized forms......

must have been the red apple + black notebook on my desk... they send a clear signal to the users.

rene

10:12 AM

It is pl not p1 (that is a p and a character l not a p and the number one) — rene 1 min ago

Should I dv the answer...sigh..

gone...

user0000000

11:16 AM

@sp00m Actually, you should flag one of the user's posts, with a custom flag reason, and explain which accounts you think are doing bad and why. Link to examples is bonus.

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24305300/basic-networking-doubts

Bart

11:36 AM

@sp00m Just flag any post of theirs for moderator attention using the "other" flag and clearly explain what you think is happening.

I'm ignoring you @user0000000 because ... well ... nah, just blind

user0000000

i refuse to be ignorezed!

DroidDev

hey @Bart just when you came into room, about same time a colleague of mine brought coffee for me.

Bart

@DroidDev you're welcome

sp00m

@Bart @user0000000 Alright, I'll do it.

DroidDev

5 hours ago, by Shadow Wizard

Something is wrong again. No Bart in the starboard.

@Bart ^^

Bart

11:47 AM

I can't do anything about that @DroidDev.

user0000000

quick, do something funny

Bart

I'm working. That in and of itself is pretty hilarious.

DroidDev

or may be, upload something funny

something like "Kitty is busy" lol

rene

In comments @reply is limited to one, right? Had it ever been two?

Bart

Yes and not that I know

user0000000

11:52 AM

I don't know if it has ever been, but that answer says this
"You can explicitly notify one (1) other commenter, editor, or ♦ moderator who closed a question."

rene

I somehow recorded in my mind max two @replies....

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/118857/…

rene

So I was wondering who pressed the wrong buttons to get that recorded...

user0000000

Well, technically you could be notifying 3 people max, but only 1 with @ reply.. for example, if you comment on an answer to another commenter, that commmenter with @reply , the answer user, and the question user will all receive a notification

DroidDev

@rene I was notified in this message

Jun 12 at 8:28, by Bart

@ShadowWizard if you think you can throw @DroidDev in front of a bus, let me remind you of this http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2082053#2082053

it contain two @calls

user0000000

11:55 AM

talking about comments on the sites , not chat rooms

DroidDev

oh! sorry

rene

Yeah on chat it is ... unlimited ?

user0000000

please test, no one will get mad at you

well maybe shog, b.c he always seems mad

rene

@user0000000 I tried that before and seems to work: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/41570?m=15586822#15586822

I dare in that room because I'm one of the owners....

Stijn

pinging @rene and @user0000000

DroidDev

11:58 AM

and here I was gonna ping every member present in this room

user0000000

pinging @Stijn @rene @Bart @bjb568 @DroidDev

DroidDev

if @rene hadn't posted this message

rene

For me thar pinged

DroidDev

pinged for me also

rene

that as well @user0000000

user0000000

12:00 PM

we are going to have to wait until @bjb568 wakes up to see if they all worked though

lol, pretty sure it pings everyone, maybe someone should feature request to @all to make it easier?

DroidDev

12:12 PM

@user0000000 you can post on meta about this and expect lot of downvotes also :P

Shadow Wizard

12:36 PM

5

Q: What is the maximum number of users that can be pinged in chat on Stack Exchange?

What is the maximum number of @somenamehere that I can use in a single chat message to ping people? Asking out of curiosity rather than any practical standpoint as I can't envision needing more than a few.

support

and mods can use super ping

user0000000

thanks

Shadow Wizard

1:01 PM

Someone found way to game the system, big time

5

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/231727/revisions

Rep is harvested, bounty placed, question undeleted. Endless bounties.

Stijn

@ShadowWizard I'm not able to follow, what exactly is happening?

user0000000

I'm not sure what's happening, but he has placed a ton of bounties recently meta.stackexchange.com/users/259214/…

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn suppose you now have 1 rep and you have 10 questions with total of 50 downvotes. You delete all 10 questions and get +100 rep back. You place bounty of 100 and undelete all 10 questions.

That's what he's doing. ^

See "rep change" in his reputation tab, that's to cover the negative rep.

DroidDev

but why does he keep adding bounties on MSE, it is not like he is getting help for some personal task

why game system, when it is not going to benefit you?

Stijn

So receiving downvotes won't drop you under 1 but you will get +2 per downvote from deleting the question?

Shadow Wizard

1:08 PM

@DroidDev I have a feeling he's just enjoying gaming the system

@Stijn either this, or he had more than 1 when getting the downvotes

Andy

@DroidDev Alternatively, MSE may just be a testing ground.

Shadow Wizard

I used it as example only to simplify things

@Andy for the dev team, not for us

He found a loophole, now it should be fixed and he should stop.

Andy

@ShadowWizard I meant he may be using it as a testing ground.

Shadow Wizard

@rene so close to 3K, nice!

rene

Yeah, I'm not all hunting for rep...

R.J

1:14 PM

I've a small doubt. Say I've 125 reputation and I downvote a question. The vote is locked and I can't undo it. A couple of days later, the question was edited and my vote is unlocked, but I happen to lose few rep and it goes below 125. Can I undo my downvote on that question now?

user0000000

Shadow Wizard should be given a bounty/reward for catching that. Maybe a unicorn stuffed animal?

Shadow Wizard

@R.J I think you can undo, but then you can't downvote again.

Worth checking!

Alex

@ShadowWizard facinating

Shadow Wizard

@Alex not really, when you think of it, it's deviously simple :)

@user0000000 nah, I want Platinum badge

-1

Q: About "Rep changes"

Ever seen this post? Read it carefully, if you didn't. Mysticial's explanation is great. That is a small problem. If I'll undelete back my post, rep change that occurred doesn't get reversed. So this is feature-request before I get suspended. Remove rep change events if post is undeleted.

feature-request

feel free to downvote ;)

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234282/…

user0000000

1:36 PM

@KateGregory I want to be a bounty master ))) But really earning lots of rep is good thing too. — nicael May 22 at 21:44

Shadow Wizard

1:48 PM

and... WE WON!

pratik, India

1 1 5 15

android java android-listview listview android-layout google-maps android-intent

This was the sock with 21 rep who suspended someone from chat

Just love to see them getting caught

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard You monster. How can a silver badge be better of a Fluttershy plush?

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist more useful, I can wear it ;D

Bart

2:04 PM

@ShadowWizard both can be worn

Shadow Wizard

@Bart picture or it never happened.

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard You cannot have a badge say "Yay". The plush could, with a little help from science.

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist I got something at home saying "daddy" whenever he sees me. No fur and no horn, but he's cute enough. :-P

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard And here again you fail you trivia quiz. Fluttershy is a P-E-G-A-S-I., not an unicorn :P

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist oh my, you're right!

SPArchaeologist

2:14 PM

@ShadowWizard I prescribe an intensive weekend cure. Start from season one for now.

ɥʇǝS

@ShadowWizard How.. did he do that?

Shadow Wizard

@ɥʇǝS probably 6 socks, all with 20+ rep. Or 5 socks and himself.

ɥʇǝS

Ouch.

Shadow Wizard

@ɥʇǝS yeah, being kicked by socks is tough

Stijn

@ShadowWizard that's a lot of feet. (I'll see myself out)

Shadow Wizard

2:23 PM

@Stijn yeah, and dirty ones as well. Yikes! :D

Shadow Wizard

2:48 PM

Any bot doctor around? I have a dying bot in my den

SPArchaeologist

3:20 PM

bye, everypony. Have to go now

ProgramFOX

See you @SPArchaeologist!

bjb568

5:25 PM

Chat has unlimited pings!

juergen d

5:35 PM

Are currently websockets brocken or is it my lousy internet connection?

bjb568

Lousy internet connection.

GnomeSlice

5:52 PM

Today's Listening | Rock/Metal

Jan Dvorak

6:12 PM

SPAM mathoverflow.net/questions/172226/…

or at least VLQ

bjb568

9:37 PM

How is this not VLQ? stackoverflow.com/q/24313187/2888561

user0000000

the level of difficulty doesn't make something automatically low quality

bjb568

No, it being crap does.

Text speak. Asking to debug. No problem statement. No attempted solution.

rene

It only is a html/css issue. that is a valid attempt..

And it has headers...some effort in formatting. it still is LQ but VLQ....

bjb568

Oh, ok.

How is this unclear? stackoverflow.com/q/24282695/2888561

rene

@bjb568 I tried to edit it into shape...

bjb568

9:49 PM

@rene "removed text spreak"

rene

that is almost dutch...

@bjb568 Maybe I should have skipped but I couldn't make up what his input was, what operation he needed to happen and what the expected outcome should be. Let alone any attempt on code...

bjb568

Attempt not necessary.

rene

True...

bjb568

Basically replace "hghg" with "hghg444".

rene

Ok, I guess you need some magic interpretation to get that from that question...

But you might be correct..

bjb568

9:56 PM

Maybe I am just magical… doesn't seem hard for me.

link-only stackoverflow.com/a/3698790/2888561

mhlester

@AnnaLear, ShadowWizard suggested i ping you to handle my flag from two weeks ago. it's a bit past its usefulness now though :)

Anna Lear

@mhlester you're gonna have to narrow it down a bit for me...

user0000000

@mhlester about the sock puppet bounty hero?

mhlester

yeah, that's the one

flagged june 5

put the flag on "What does “rep change” mean?" but it was really just the user

he's said he'll stop, so maybe nothing is needed... except for, you know, a bugfix :)

Anna Lear

We saw that flag at the time. It didn't get dismissed, but it didn't go unnoticed. :)

mhlester

10:11 PM

ah good, that's the important part

Anna Lear

I'm gonna leave it for now. not sure off-hand what the plan there is.

mhlester

yeah, it's not an easy one to fix. probably rare enough those sorts of events could be handled with warnings and/or suspensions in the future though

@AnnaLear so little faith shadow has. he said nobody reads flags on MSE but i'm glad to see he was wrong!

bjb568

11:06 PM

^ Wow, I guess I am pretty negative.

I wasn't always…

Bwahaha! That was before 125 rep.

bjb568

11:28 PM

How is this not a robo-reviewer? stackoverflow.com/users/1216976/somekittens-ux2666?tab=activity

In my flag I gave 3 examples: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4486610 stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4486535 stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4509366

Approved 669, rejected 172

"declined - A reviewer who rejects 172 edits is clearly not clicking "approve" automatically. I've interacted with this user before, and they're not gaming the system."

I'm talking about low-quality reviews not about clicking "approve" automatically - just clicking approve would be caught by audits.

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