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4:00 AM

skeet stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5365964 and stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5365985

Vote to Close

4:22 AM

spam meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236968/muscle-care-meta

user163250

4:53 AM

@VotetoClose awkward.

user163250

Is it too early to post about Stack Overflow Academy on MSO?

Vote to Close

dang, why does Shog use a different pic on every site? this isn't facebook

Shog9

I don't

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I see. You don't. Just the sites you have > 1500 rep

user163250

5:11 AM

I find Shog's disembodied head on MSE to be slightly disturbing.

user163250

Shog9 ♦, Not looking over your shoulder

211k 76 582 1081

Shog9

yer pretty too, cupcake

user163250

Then again, he looks pretty shady on MSO:

user163250

Shog9 ♦, Colorado

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discussion feature-request support review status-completed vote-to-close tags

Shog9

there's a beautiful view of the Mississippi in the background there, but it got kinda washed out

animuson

5:15 AM

I use different pics on some different sites.

Tim Stone

mmm I'm a bit tired so I'm not positive...

But did the question list subnav links go from normal to bold just now?

DID SOMEONE FATTEN MY CHEESE?

animuson

I actually wanted to start a personal project to buy different props, hats, and outfits to take pictures that would be specific to every site on the network.

Shog9

@TimStone the tabs? No.

Vote to Close

@animuson SE doesn't even do that until the site graduates

animuson

Some of them could be tough, but it would be fun!

Tim Stone

5:18 AM

@Shog9 They were always bold on MSE?

animuson

I wonder how much a chef's hat costs...

Tim Stone

The ones on the user page are not bold so I'm skeptical.

Shog9

they're not bold on MSE either. what are you looking at? pics or it didn't happen...

animuson

I wouldn't know. I've been using so much custom CSS on Stack Overflow that I probably wouldn't even be affected by some changes.

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font-weight: 600 ... somewhat stronger than normal

Tim Stone

5:20 AM

Indeed

Shog9

amazon.com/HIC-Adult-Size-Adjustable-Chef/dp/B003OA4CKC

animuson

Can I get one that says Stack Exchange?

Tim Stone

Signed by the Stack Chefs, even.

animuson

Ooooo picture of the SE diamond hat for the Moderators site.

Shog9

@TimStone interesting, those look waaay bolder in Firefox than in Chrome

Tim Stone

5:23 AM

Screenshot is from Chrome dev

Shog9

UNSUPPORTED BROWSER

Tim Stone

I LIKE LIVING DANGEROUSLY

Shog9

no idea what's up with that then. going to bed before stuff randomly turns bold.

Tim Stone

In the morning you'll wake up to the sweet smell of bacon, only to have your hopes dashed as you find out Jin has eaten it all staying up all night randomly bolding things.

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user163250

6:02 AM

Does the NY Stack Exchange office really have its own chef?

Tim Post

@Cupcake two of 'em

Jan Dvorak

6:21 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236970/…

also, Morning!

rene

Morning!

Pops

Whoa. Hi, @TimStone!

I don't really have anything important to say, it's just been a while since I've seen you.

Tim Stone

For some reason I've been doing work, or something.

It's weird.

I think I might be unwell.

Also: Hello to you as well!

rene

7:12 AM

@VotetoClose only 3 (from this room...)

Jan Dvorak

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Pops

Way to go TeX, destroying that one before I got there.

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236971/…

glad I took my surfboard today

CRAP meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236972/…

SPArchaeologist

7:28 AM

Hi

rene

Hi

Jan Dvorak

Hi

Cerbrus

7:43 AM

Hi

Hi

Hi

Hi

8:16 AM

Hallo c-c-c-c-c-combo-breaker

Shadow Wizard

nah, train expired so no worry

DroidDev

in Shadow's Den, 2 mins ago, by DroidDev

can somebody give me a link to download a desktop widget for weather in linux

rene

Can't you simply look out the window?

Shadow Wizard

rene, sharp as always :D

Stijn

aww, I missed the train :(

DroidDev

8:26 AM

@rene lol, I am a programmer, don't expect things from me, which include to look at something that is not a computer screen

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aww, I missed the train :(

SPArchaeologist

@rene What if he is in a submarine? What if he is an astronaut and currently he is writing from some orbital space station?

DroidDev

@SPArchaeologist or I am playing beta version of Crew (or any other game)

Shadow Wizard

rene

@SPArchaeologist Why bother about the weather in that case?

Stijn

8:28 AM

@rene's logic is infallible

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@rene maybe he wonders what his unicorn may be doing? like sledding or surf boarding?

DroidDev

@Stijn I might wanna see, how my garden is doing

SPArchaeologist

@rene You don't want to conduct your nuclear bombing test when it is raining, right? It would ruin your pretty atomic mushroom.

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist won't the heat from explosion evaporate all the water anyway?

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/q/236973

rene

8:32 AM

@DroidDev Your garden is just doing fine, whatever the weather. Nature has proven this for the last couple of million years...

@JanDvorak too late :(

DroidDev

@rene Indian summers are too hot for anything. We have to water plants daily. In my case, I might have to ask someone to water them

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak old spam, how did your script find it just now?

rene

@Stijn Tell that to the XSLT transformation I'm currently working on....

Jan Dvorak

sorry, meant this one:

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236976/…

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev so primitive. Build an automated system that will do it.

SPArchaeologist

8:34 AM

@ShadowWizard Cold fusion atomic bomb! all the fun of an atomic bomb but without the heat. Order your today!

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak yay, nuked by a dev!

SPArchaeologist

First 10 callers get a free Geiger counter included in the price

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist hmm.... but all the energy must go somewhere, isn't there a rule that unused energy becomes heat?

rene

@SPArchaeologist Kind of useless device.... all is fine, just background noise ... oh wait, what?....HALP ...........................

SPArchaeologist

@ShadowWizard You are right. Unused energy becomes heat... But here at the Acme labs we use the power of science to use that energy to bake rainbow cupcakes.

Shadow Wizard

8:38 AM

I almost feel sorry this was deleted so fast. It could easily break the downvote record.

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard I'd rather by a new laptop and let my plants die :P

Shadow Wizard

@SPArchaeologist ohhh, now it's all clear!

@DroidDev but you can sell the system and become rich! :D

DroidDev

@ShadowWizard or I can rather find the link to widget for weather on linux myself(which everyone forgot about) and go back to work :P

Shadow Wizard

@DroidDev Go Google!

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/186583/…

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24801830/…

(crappy question, pointless whitespace bump)

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236978/…

Stijn

8:53 AM

1. Your teacher is clueless — Bart 11 mins ago

Jan Dvorak

9:42 AM

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236979/…

SPArchaeologist

10:09 AM

... I want to know who to blame for the mocking message you get in SharePoint when you perform a long operation: "This shouldn't take long."

Jan Dvorak

10:19 AM

CRAP meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236982/…

Shadow Wizard

You posted this exact same question on Stack Overflow. Why did you cross-post and why on Meta, where it is off-topic? — Oded ♦ 6 mins ago

Chances for Oded to get a response: 0.00000000000000000001%

rene

That OP probably goes: Ooops, interaction....

SPArchaeologist

10:42 AM

I simply must try and play Dwarf Fortress

"Thanks to the detailed simulation and Wide Open Sandbox nature of Dwarf Fortress, it's completely possible, even with a vanilla version, to use quickly reproducing non-pasture animals such as turkeys or peafowl as an infinite source of ammunition to blast off lava cannons onto enemy hordes. The trick is to set the ammo on fire prior to launch."

rene

@SPArchaeologist That is still better than the 'Loading..' with an animated gif that I get when the javascript is borked. User: No, don't touch it, it is still loading, look at the picture, it is moving so it is getting data... /me facepalm

Shadow Wizard

@Oded those users are usually clueless to begin with, IMO we just better delete those things on spot. But kudos for trying! :)

Oded

On the off chance of them answering, we may get a clue of where they got to the site from... and try to eliminate that path ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Oded noble goal, you really deserve a badge for that. Should I start a feature request asking to add new badge? :D

Oded

:-p

Stijn

10:53 AM

@rene wanna trade with my users? "hmm, that gif has been spinning for 2 seconds, better click that button another 10 times"

Oded

You are up in the north, right? All the trouble effect you at all, @Sha?

Shadow Wizard

nope, what led you to this wrong assumption? Need to eliminate this path. :-P
(I'm from Ramat Ha Sharon so compared to others, in a good shape :))

rene

@Stijn Hmmm, maybe designate a place near the south-pole for those kind of users and organize a one-way flight for them? Must be possible to arrange a charter flight for that...

Oded

@ShadowWizard probably thinking of someone else... Good to know you are out of it.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded thanks, nobody is really out of it (well, except those (cough) living abroad ;)) but so far so good. Could be much worse.

Oded

11:00 AM

Yeah, I know... one of our devs is in Yad Binyamin. Working out of the mamad

Shadow Wizard

And back to sanity, @Oded, can you check if code prettify is enabled on MSE? There is possible vulnerability on Stack Overflow that can't be reproduced on the sandbox meta.stackexchange.com/a/236983/152859

@Oded yeah, think I know who you mean. Not a nice situation.

Oded

@ShadowWizard Yeah, saw that C++ thing. And yes, it is turned on on MSE. Though it may depend on specific question tags and settings.

@ShadowWizard meta.stackexchange.com/a/235130/140505 (+10k)

Shadow Wizard

@Oded Weird, but since it's preventing users and even mods from editing, think it better be addressed. Who is on bug watch? :)

Oded

I am. And am working on it. That is, if people stop bothering me ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Oded lol ;) (Shadow, out :))

Bart

11:22 AM

Isn't a new passport a lovely way to spend 250 euros? Yay! .... grrr

Shadow Wizard

@Bart what happened to your old passport? Eaten by a unicorn? ;)

Bart

:D Nah, expired

Shadow Wizard

11:37 AM

@Bart wow, in Israel it cost 55 euro only

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening chipocrite.bandcamp.com

gotta run sorry

Shadow Wizard

wonder what they're doing with all this money you give them??

Wait... passport... Bart... do you plan running away from us? :D

Bart

@ShadowWizard Well, it was 165 francs for the passport (because it's at the embassy in a foreign country) + 100 francs for the train + 25 francs for photos + 25 francs for a document stating I really live in Geneva ... gets expensive fast.

Jan Dvorak

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Shadow Wizard

@Bart oh, that makes more sense. So you're living in foreign country and stuck with expired passport?

Bart

11:40 AM

Yep @ShadowWizard. And I have clients in Italy, so I need a valid passport

Shadow Wizard

@Bart so charge the company for those expanses, if you didn't already :)

unless you're self employed in which case... bummer

Bart

At least this one will be valid for the next 10 years and not just 5 like the previous one.

Shadow Wizard

12:01 PM

@Bart good for you! Next is the driver license then, I guess? ;)

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/186608/…

Where's ManishBot?

Shadow Wizard

@JanDvorak long dead, or so it looks like :(

Bart

@ShadowWizard :D That doesn't expire luckily

Shadow Wizard

@Bart eh? really?!

here it's 10 years, me thinks

Bart

At least nothing is stated on the license @ShadowWizard :)

And I don't have a car

Shadow Wizard

12:05 PM

hmm...

European driving licence

The European driving licence is a driving licence replacing the many driving licence styles already in use in the member states of the European Economic Area (European Union, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway). It has the credit card-style with a photograph and possibly a microchip. They were introduced to replace the 110 different plastic and paper driving licences of the 300 million drivers in the EEA. The main objective of the licence is to decrease the risk of fraud. == History == === Pre-1996 European driving licence === The first step to a European driving licence was taken on 4 D...

Looks like those do expire at some point

> a) date of issue, b) date of expiry, c) issuing authority, d) personal numberb

So, @Bart, did you hack your way to get a non expiring license? ;)

ProgramFOX

@JanDvorak ManishBot is dead for some time, because Undo has created a new version of SmokeDetector, and this is currently only active in Charcoal HQ and TL.

Bart

@ShadowWizard Check the section for Switzerland. I have a full unlimited license. Section 4b contains nothing but stars for me. No expiry. :)

ProgramFOX

@Undo Could you also make you SmokeDetector available here?

Shadow Wizard

wow, you're a lucky man, @Bart!

Bart

I just stay out of trouble in traffic @ShadowWizard ... which is trivial if you don't have a car

Such a great driver ...

Stijn

12:09 PM

my paper drivers license doesn't expire but we're slowly replacing them with chip cards and I think that one will expire after x years

user163250

@sanmai then your question is very unclear. So you want to squash commits that are just in the middle, but you don't want to squash your first X commits, and you don't want to squash the last Y commits either? What do first and last mean to you? You can clear up a lot of confusion if you include a picture. Your "most recent" commits are not your "first commits", they're your last commits, if you start from the root/initial commit in your history. — Cupcake 6 mins ago

user163250

Talk about frustrating :P

Jan Dvorak

SPAM english.stackexchange.com/questions/186610/…

Shadow Wizard

@TimPost who can give a hand with a troll in parenting site?

moderation there is very slow so think it's better be an available CM, if such exists :(

Bart

Isn't parenting the best place for trolls to be handled @ShadowWizard?

Shadow Wizard

12:16 PM

@Bart they refuse to be diapered

Anyway, for whoever see this and can/wants to handle this is the troll

it'sanuclearwar

1 1

airplane health pregnancy travel

Oded

Was already in the answer block. Destroyed.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded cool, thanks!

Bart

I guess that means ..... it'sanuclearwar!!!

Oded

No longer. Nuclear winter more like it, for that user.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded hmm... how come this question isn't auto protected yet?

Oded

12:26 PM

@ShadowWizard threshold is 5 questions. "Only" 4 there.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded oh, so let's hope he won't be back :)

Oded

Aye

Shadow Wizard

cake in the room!

I have an idea. Let's launch cakes at our enemies instead of missiles. :D

user163250

@ShadowWizard ready to launch SIR!

Shadow Wizard

12:29 PM

@Cupcake let's test on Bart first. Ready? Aim! Go!!!

user163250

pew pew pew (　-_･) ︻┳═一 ▸ ▸ ▸ ▸ ▸ ▸ <cupcakes> @Bart

Bart

@Cupcake That's a novel interpretation of "let them eat cake"

Braiam

@TimPost around? Did the team got my mail?

Tim Post

@Braiam where did you send it?

Braiam

using the "contact us"

user163250

12:41 PM

@sanmai this is a duplicate. The question Combine the first two commits of a Git repository? does exactly what you're asking for. This solution doesn't involve using an interactive rebase, just like what you asked for in your question. — Cupcake 14 mins ago

user163250

@Cupcake the other question is about --root option for git-rebase, so this question is not the same question, hence it is not a duplicate. — sanmai 5 mins ago

user163250

@sanmai I pointed out a solution to you in my last comment that does not use an interactive rebase, thus making it automatic, which is exactly what you asked for. Nor does it use the --root flag, but that's kind of irrelevant. This is a duplicate. Do you really want to argue with someone who has a gold badge in Git? — Cupcake 1 min ago

user163250

The frustration continues :P

user163250

I think he just downvoted my answer out of spite too :P

Shadow Wizard

@Cupcake might be, the sting will pass over time. Best leave this alone, unless you'll go Laszlo on us :D

Tim Post

12:52 PM

@Braiam Let me go have a look

@Braiam Done.

Braiam

yay!

user163250

1:15 PM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24153548/…

user163250

Even with all the editing, it's still just a duplicate.

user163250

Shoot, I can't delete that.

user163250

I take it back.

Stijn

@Cupcake you have a gold badge, you should be able to close it yourself, no?

user163250

I close voted it as unclear a long time ago, but then the OP fixed his question...sort of.

user163250

1:19 PM

So I can't one-shot it anymore.

Stijn

aha

do you still want it closed or can it stay open (I'm confused by your last couple messages)

user163250

Ok, definitely close as duplicate.

user163250

@Stijn thanks.

Stijn

@Cupcake yw

Do you bake cupcakes too, or just eat them?

SPArchaeologist

1:33 PM

... i'am exhausted.

Just fixed a bug

by manually launching a set of update statement

on sharepoint config db

rene

Ah, the db that should not be touched...ever...

SPArchaeologist

@rene yep, that one. The same db that will contain orphaned items if you dare to follow Ms documentation about web config modification management.

Seems that in season 5 of MLP (renamed My Little Devs) Twilight will become a SharePoint developer. It will be then explained that the whole panic around the Evergreen forest started because the local farm db server rack is hosted there....

Stijn

Dare I ask, why do people develop for SP? I see multiple users here "complaining" about SP regularly, and I know of a 2 year SP project that was rewritten from scratch to ASP.NET MVC because it became unmaintainable.

Oded

Because developers don't decide on using SP. Managers do.

SPArchaeologist

1:49 PM

@Stijn SharePoint OOPA. When I will finally contact the Angry Video Game Nerd and become the Angry SharePoint Dev I will make a movie out of it

he made an ET parody, I will go for an Indiana Jones one.

OOPA - normally stands for Out Of Place Artifact

in my case it is the acronym of something I myself inventend

Out Of Place Application

Jan Dvorak

RANT tex.stackexchange.com/questions/192846/…

SPArchaeologist

@Stijn your project was an OOPA. Basically an app that takes no advantage from begin developed on the SharePoint platform.

and is developed that way only because some manager/reseller wanted to make money on a SharePoint license.

Stijn

@SPArchaeologist I see. I wasn't personally involved in the project, just another team at the company I was working for.

SPArchaeologist

see my profile on SharePoint

Using SharePoint like it was Tomcat

Braiam

@JanDvorak wow! a tex.se question with -7

Jan Dvorak

1:57 PM

should just be flagged as offensive

so, not too unusual

Stijn

2:17 PM

it's not unusual...

TGMCians

2:38 PM

status-closed

err

Braiam

yeah

TGMCians

I was trying to reply on @Cupcake message.

user163250

So I did not know this because I've been staring at the old, outdated kernel.org version of the Git documentation for years, but the newest versions of the documentation actually explicitly endorse The BFG Repo-Cleaner.

TGMCians

Cupcake : do you use bitbucket (git) ?

user163250

@TGMCians thanks. That question is just messed up in so many different ways, but whatever. I reopened it, and now everyone should just walk away and hopefully never look at that thing ever again.

user163250

2:48 PM

@TGMCians I do use Bitbucket, but only for their free private repo hosting.

user163250

Otherwise, I prefer GitHub like everyone else.

TGMCians

yes I also bcz of free private repository

I used to use svn earlier but recently started to use bitbucket

user163250

I hate how messed up the rendering and formatting of the Git SCM docs can be sometimes:

user163250

git-scm.com/docs/git-rebase

user163250

Considering that it's now the most up-to-date online version of the Git documentation (not to mention one of the most popular), you would think they would have improved it to be more readable and less broken by now.

Jan Dvorak

3:14 PM

SPAM travel.stackexchange.com/questions/34225/…

user163250

I can't wait for this bounty to be over: stackoverflow.com/questions/462974/…

user163250

I hate the bounty message that I put on it.

user163250

I think directly promoting your own answer is OK as long as you do it tastefully. Personally, I'd rather just use comments, but the disadvantage of comments is that only those who will be notified of the comments will see them immediately, and anyone else who might happen to come across the question. — BoltClock ♦ 2 days ago

Stijn

I didn't know you can put links/markdown in a bounty message.

Undo

Ya'll have heard the news, right?

jmac ♦, Japan

10.9k 2 32 76

discussion feature-request support tags review stackoverflow suggested-edits

'nuff said :D

WE GOT JMAC AS A CM, PEOPLE!

4

@ProgramFOX Probably. Depends on if you folks would donate an upvote for a post from my sock ;)

user163250

3:27 PM

@Undo I'm not quite sure what this means.

Undo

Community Manager.

user163250

He's an SE employee now?

Undo

Yup

73

Q: Who are the Community Managers, and what do they do?

Who are the Community Managers? What do they do? What is their relationship to the "Community" user? Return to FAQ index

support faq stackexchange moderators community-managers

user163250

Community Manager for which community? Japan?

Undo

They kinda all share the sites, it's complicated.

user163250

3:28 PM

I was a little confused because he's a mod for The Workplace too.

rene

@Cupcake You are not trying to upset him in his first week, are you?

user163250

@rene is it working?

rene

I don't know yet but if we don't hear from you another 6-8 months I guess the answer would be YES...

user259867

3:48 PM

@Undo My guess was that jmac filled this advertised job but the ad is still up. Maybe they haven't updated work-here page yet. SO in Japanese will be an interesting thing to look at...

user163250

This is still fair game if anyone wants to try and figure out what's actually wrong:

user163250

3

Q: Git filter-branch with index-filter does not work and remove directories as expected

Structure of Git repo foo in master branch foo/refs/a.txt foo/bar/refs/b.txt In other branches refs/ might be in lots of other places Goal To remove all instances of the directory refs (and their content) from Git (history) Environment: Windows 7 using Git Bash Removing refs (Git not ...

git git-filter-branch git-rewrite-history

TGMCians

4:04 PM

anyone know how to see who viewed my so career profile ?

user163250

@TGMCians I don't think you get that option.

user163250

It's not like LinkedIn.

user163250

Not so...creepy and stalkerish :P

TGMCians

oh ok

bjb568

4:37 PM

reopen-pls stackoverflow.com/q/19503781/2888561 How's this too broad?

Stijn

@Cupcake if I had to hire someone, I'd hire you for sure! :)

> Software/web developer who loves to build cool things! I'm Full Stack and All Awesome; I work both the client and server sides; that's just how I roll. I manipulate trees of source code like a master sculptor crafts a lump of clay into a work of art; source history bends to my indomitable will. And although I'm redonkulously awesome, I'm also a Team Player too. Want to kick some @$$ with me? 1337 |-|4x0r. Command-line commando. Git ninja.
>
> Bonus: I'm a Level 25 Bug Slayer, and I also give +10 to morale!

rene

4:51 PM

@bjb568 It still is a what is better question...but hey, it is wednesday, reopen...

Jan Dvorak

unclear, or worse? askubuntu.com/questions/501654/…

TGMCians

worse I think

bjb568

Not spam, but delete.

user163250

@Stijn thanks for reminding me, I need to go update that.

Stijn

5:10 PM

@Cupcake but now it's boring :P

user163250

These trivia questions are starting to become more common on MSO...

user163250

-1

Q: What is the most voted thing on StackOverflow? And how many votes does it have?

As the title asks, I was curious on the most upvoted thing on StackOverflow. I have seen some with 800 upvotes or so but I want to know if there is any question or comment with a seriously outrageous number of votes. This could be up votes or down votes... I'm just curious. Thanks.

discussion questions

user163250

Weird.

Szabolcs

5:37 PM

Hi @TimStone! Could you take a look at this when you have time?

Bart

@Cupcake after the MSE split people still think we're friendly. It's unfortunate but something we'll adjust over time.

Tim Stone

@Szabolcs If it's already working correctly then that's probably /cc @balpha

user163250

6:06 PM

downvote-pls copies an existing answer stackoverflow.com/a/24909383/456814.

Cole Johnson

So... Apparently, no one has registered stavkexchange.com. Now's my chance!

@Cupcake if it copies an answer, that's plagiarism, no?

Jan Dvorak

@ColeJohnson not if they copy their own answer

Undo

@ColeJohnson You could... uh... make like ten cents a day on advertising!

user163250

@ColeJohnson I hear that scraping SO is very popular nowadays.

user163250

You can get away with it too, as long as you provide proper attribution.

user163250

6:12 PM

The whole Trademark thing might be an issue though.

Cole Johnson

ExpertSexChange.com anyone?

user163250

@ColeJohnson um, I think we're good, thanks.

Cole Johnson

@Cupcake "StavkExchange" != "StackExchange" -> true

Jan Dvorak

@ColeJohnson oh. The paid Q/A site. Heard of it. Didn't work.

hichris123

@ColeJohnson lol. forgot the dash. ;)

user163250

6:15 PM

experts-exchange.com

Cole Johnson

@JanDvorak you mean Google Answers 10 years ago?

user163250

I didn't realize that Experts Exchange had a dash in their domain.

hichris123

Neither did I.

user163250

I guess because they didn't want to be confused with sex changes :P

Cole Johnson

@Cupcake they added it a year or so ago because of that

user163250

6:16 PM

They have a terrible Web of Trusting rating: mywot.com/en/scorecard/experts-exchange.com

user163250

I'm not surprised.

Jan Dvorak

I don't trust WoT anymore

Cole Johnson

> Not a scam; but not really worth paying for. I tried the free trial. Not what I would consider "bad" but during my free trial (which I used almost daily) it gave me nothing an extra moment or two on Google wouldn't give me. Also I haven't had any spamming due to this site.

user163250

Is it because of the W3Schools rating?

user163250

mywot.com/en/scorecard/w3schools.com

Jan Dvorak

6:17 PM

that's one cause

user163250

I'm convinced that those are doctored.

Cole Johnson

@JanDvorak it's a great tool, but it can be misused (w3schools)

Jan Dvorak

@ColeJohnson it's not

Cole Johnson

It's problem is people mainly only vote bad on scam sites (where it prompts you that this is a bad site)

What would work for me is if, when I visit a new domain, it prompts for my rating. Then I'd rate more

Jan Dvorak

references leave out crucial information, tutorials leave out crucial warnings, terrible methods in examples, terrible indentation in examples, generally terrible code in examples...

Cole Johnson

6:22 PM

W3schools was great for learning HTML4 years ago (somewhere around 5 to 7 for me) when HTML5 was almost nonexistent. That's actually what got me started on web design. Their HTML and CSS tutorials. I tried learning JavaScript using their tutorials and got the basics (functions and stuff), but I ultimately just threw it out and learned the way I learned programming (have a problem? Google it)

Jan Dvorak

That's the problem. You have to throw out everything you got from w3schools before you can become a decent programmer

Undo

Code -> get stuck -> google -> open first SO result -> apply -> repeat

works for me ;)

Jan Dvorak

and I'm not at all convinced they didn't suck horribly back then

Cole Johnson

@Undo except there was no SO 7 years ago ;)

Undo

oh true

you could have built it

Cole Johnson

6:24 PM

At 10? Please

Undo

oh

:P

gtg, cya

Cole Johnson

My best program was a Fibonacci calculator using Java. And I didn't even know about arrays then. So I had literally 100 variables like: long one = 1; long two = 1; long three = one + two; ... long onehundred = ninetyeight + ninetynine; followed by an input for how many they want followed by switch (input) { case 100: SOP(onehundred); case 99: SOP(ninetynine); ... }

That's right. It printed every Fibonacci number from F_input to F_1

Jan Dvorak

ew

was that what W3S taught you?

Cole Johnson

No. It was my first program

My brother was taking a Java course in college and I thought it was cool that not just big businesses to make programs. So he taught me the basics (everything except arrays) of Java 5 and I went forth

I never learned Java from W3S

Every bit of programming was from "I have a problem, and I bet Google can answer it"

animuson

I mostly learned from just typing things in and seeing what happened.

"What does this value do?"

Cole Johnson

6:31 PM

That happened a lot also, but Google is there for things I don't get.

And Stack Overflow too.

Is there a scientific name for falling in love with a website's community? :p