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A: Double-edged sword of too strict community based website

1:37 AM

spam stackoverflow.com/questions/16966383/…

michaelb958

1:58 AM

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I and probably others can an analogy to a war on drugs but now we see that it's ineffective and putting people out of community. Probably because you fail to grasp why the "war on drugs" has been so ineffective... Imagine that, instead of a "war on drugs" we had a "war on people who hurt ot...

stoned-programming

3:55 AM

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23253210/…

Anonymous

5:54 AM

Any mods (any site) around at the moment?

balpha

sup?

or do you want real community mods?

Anonymous

Not specifically. I was just wondering if somebody could help explain how to migration works to the moderator for edX CS1691x:

Anonymous

meta.edx-cs169-1x: how can I move posts from meta to the normal forum? (darn, no oneboxing for the pseudo-private-beta site)

Anonymous

Or explain that migration isn't enabled yet for the site, if that's the case because of its beta status.

balpha

I don't think meta->main migration is enabled anywhere

the edx sites are a strange beast though; I 'll leave this to Geoff, he's been handling it.

Anonymous

5:58 AM

Oh, I didn't realize that wasn't supported.

balpha

then again he's a mod, and mods can migrate anywhere

Braiam

@JeremyBanks Meta-> main isn't enabled anywhere (at least AU and UL doesn't)

Anonymous

@Braiam Okay, thanks. I guess was misled by my experience on MSO.

It used to be, but we took it away - there's generally nothing worth migrating and in the rare instance where there is, mods can do it.

7:07 AM

Coffee!

Braiam

Bed!

7:32 AM

Anybody wants to share his opinions on this. This is too easy...

I don't want to provide an answer...

Hi all!

Any reason the podcast isn't being promoted in the community bulletin?

soundcloud.com/stack-exchange/…

7:54 AM

Stop migrating my answers!

;-)

Ooh, new podcast

you see! you see!

@Bart - you're welcome ;)

Thanks @Lix :)

@TimPost - do you have the ability to add items to the CB?

Tim can do all the things

8:07 AM

evidently... But, can all the things do Tim?

I think I'll let Tim answer that one

Tim is as Tim does, my mamma always said.

Oh snap... How long were you standing there @TimPost? How much did you hear? :S

just enough :)

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8:13 AM

@codinghorror Tangentially: Charles Bukowski wrote a poem about the Intel 8088 http://worlds-poetry.com/charles_bukowski/16-bit_intel_8088_chip

Tweeted by unsymbol on April 24, 2014 at 7:53 AM in reply to codinghorror

Mind blown

8:31 AM

Where did you get the impression you were using c#? — rene 28 secs ago

reject-pls stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4646022

@JanDvorak Already approved :(

A: How to make number not reachable (similar to call blocker)?

ew.

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the aluminium foil which is used to wrap food does the trick, wrapping your mobile device in aluminium foil blocks cell phone signals, this effect is called faradays cage or farady sheild an electric charge exists on the outside of a charged conductor, and the electric charge has no effect on any...

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/4646107

WAT

woah...

talk about a lo-tech solution :/

@JanDvorak It is an answer ;-)

8:43 AM

but not a programming answer...

Typical that a user signs-up today on SO and then post that answer...

I'm sorry Rene, my typing mistake... :( — Moisés Martínez 9 mins ago

What I would have guessed. Either that or the good old cat on the keyboard.

"In the tavern, no one knows you're a cat."

miauw!

I mean, indeed!

@Bart hahaha

8:49 AM

@Stijn HA, you speak Dutch. Admit it!

ROFL

@Bart I admit to nothing

Oh, looks like I missed some fun

@ShadowWizard - nonsense! We were waiting for you to get started

9:03 AM

You're blue, @Lix

Virus?

@ShadowWizard - I was put in the washing machine with a blue sock :/

My imagesearchiphylis is acting up again

9:15 AM

@Lix That sounds horrible!

9:33 AM

@ShadowWizard - yet cleansing :P

9:55 AM

When a question on MSO is a duplicate of an FAQ on MSE, what do I do?

Q: FAQ Index for Stack Overflow

Just link to it...

you can't duplicate close it

Martijn did start a Faq on mso

You might want to see if the MSE Faq needs to come over to MSO

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Community FAQ For Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Overflow For official guidance from Stack Exchange, visit the Help Center. Tagging How can we get rid of misspelled and unused (or "zombie") tags? How do tag removal (burnination) requests work? Editing How do I format my code blocks? ...

@rene later on, when (if) the split is reversed, a rain of downvotes, NAA flags and confused comments will ensue.

really? I thought links were preserved, for evar?

I linked to the MSE dupe in the comments, OP asks me to post it as an answer. I do so and the system converts it to a comment for being trivial...

Hmmm, how about copying the content in a 'comment block' in the answer and add a link for the attribution?

10:10 AM

@rene Martijn just said that it's fine to copy MSE FAQs to MSO. Lunch break now :)

cv-pls-duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/23264630/…

@Louis done...

10:49 AM

Thanks... I was not getting the audio notification when someone pings me in chat. (So I did not see the ping until now.)

12:04 PM

@ShadowWizard do we agree? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63888/…

12:15 PM

@rene sort of, yeah :)

oh wow

12:35 PM

Am I the only one getting bored with Revious?

@Stijn You're not.

@Stijn bored isn't the right word but yeah... it's like talking to a wall.

He just refuse to accept how things work on Stack Exchange.

GnomeSlice

12:59 PM

It's a new day, and you know what that means.

Today's Listening

@Stijn myeah, it's not going anywhere.

@GnomeSlice yay. P.s. this isn't bad either fearofdark.bandcamp.com/album/motorway

GnomeSlice

@Bart That one is fantastic.

oh, wow, when did that happen?

Oh, I see it's the same logo but in chat it looks weird

1:14 PM

Are they suggesting Meta is more a less a void? Nothing but a faint outline @ShadowWizard?

@Bart yeah, transparent to be technically accurate ;)

Is it worth a bug report?

Can't we consider it a feature?

GnomeSlice

Looks better on the blue background.

@Bart I don't think they planned this, it's just using the same logo as the parent site

Kinda like it though

1:19 PM

@GnomeSlice sure, most images with transparency relies on being over some background. :)

Seems the SO Tavern is not really getting any traction

1:38 PM

As if we needed proof about crappy questions on SO stackoverflow.com/questions/23270552/…

sigh.

jadarnel27

The font for code formatting on mobile looks...weird. I wonder if that's an oversight.

Or maybe I'm crazy.

Crazier.

Than usual.

1:54 PM

Is that even possible?

jadarnel27

It's not ever been scientifically proven.

But it hasn't been disproven either.

@jadarnel27 on mobile device or desktop machine browsing the mobile theme?

2:10 PM

Hi!

If someone asks "can someone do X for me", in this case convert a file to a different format, and includes a link in the question to the data to convert, is it appropriate to edit out that link?

stackoverflow.com/questions/23257962/… ?

The question in general is not awful, and without that part deserves an answer

but I don't imagine we actually want to allow people asking for services, effectively?

jadarnel27

Mobile device, @Shadow. Android phone in my case. And I'm specifically referring to code formatting in chat (I don't think I mentioned that).

@Joe I'd argue that the question is the problem here, not the data.

Agree with @Bart, the question is off topic in Stack Overflow as he's asking for personal support. No point to remove the link, better just flag/close and move on.

@Joe How is that question not awful? The OP presents unfamiliarity with R as part of the problem. Are answers supposed to present a treatise on R to answer it?

Eh, the question isn't well worded either

but

2:15 PM

@Louis the OP expects an answer which will simply give him the complete converted file.

"I have an .rdata file but I am a SAS/SPSS user, what can I do to import it"?

is a reasonable qeustion

question

@ShadowWizard Of course. :)

That's not really the body of the question though. Make it that, add in what you've done so far which demonstrates this struggle, and you might have something that's a good fit for the site @Joe.

"You" of course being the OP in this case

That's what I was going to do for him (well, half of it anyway).

A link to the data is then only a bonus.

2:18 PM

Thanks!

I figure a link to the data in that case is entirely irrelevant - the fact that it's an .Rdata file is sufficient

I just casted the last vote needed on that question..

I really want to know who cast the +1 for that question.

Even someone seeking Electorate should be thinking -1 not +1 ...

I just checked but I didn't mis-click...

@Joe upvote troll? ;)

Wow, big problem with tag links on MSE.

2:34 PM

Myeah, to be expected for a while I guess

@LanceRoberts what problem?

Q: Expand magic tag-links so all sites can be specified

They will eventually, once they are all fixed, point to MSE, but there are many questions that are not SO-specific, but use an SO tag as an example or reference. They will now appropriately be on the MSE site, but have broken tag-links.

Here's a related feature-request:

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Apparently after the split, all the tag-links (once they are fixed) will point to MSE instead of SO. It seems like many questions will want to reference tags on a particular site. We already had the special magic tag link of [meta-tag:], so how about a syntax to direct tag-links to the site of ...

feature-request magic-links tag-links

Pff, spamming your own request in chat so you can get more of that precious precious Meta rep. Tsk tsk. :p

Wow, @Bart, that's cynical.

Even with the smiley?

Man, I must be cynical to the bone then.

2:37 PM

@LanceRoberts that's like saying "Wow, sun, you're hot" :-D

@ShadowWizard It wasn't this winter.

Someone broke the sun then :(

@Andy you mean when hell froze?

@ShadowWizard Many times over, I believe.

Funny/weird comments here

@Bart for some reason I imagined you look different ;)

2:46 PM

I'M NOT FAT!

Wait, you didn't say that .... never mind

@Bart of course not, you're more of the NTFS type.

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@ShadowWizard We are so close to a Godwin. Come on! We can do it

Well, at least one thing will be fixed:

the fact that they are pointing to SO in preview is still a bug though, fix incoming — m0sa ♦ 1 min ago

You know, any product name starting with "New" is bad. If there will be new NTFS version, it will be called NNTFS? NNNTFS?

2:58 PM

@ShadowWizard At least he got a peer pressure badge out of it.

yeah, saw he got really offensive towards the end. Oh well!

@LanceRoberts FWIW you realize I was just kidding, right? Wouldn't want another user to leave because of a chat comment.

@Bart, got that, no problems here.

@Bart it'll take much more than that to make Mr. Roberts leave, believe me. :D

Haha, true that.

3:08 PM

I blame Andrew for that.

4:49 PM

cv-pls-off-site-resource stackoverflow.com/questions/23274959/…

Anyone else seeing these revisions above each other instead of side-by-side? meta.stackexchange.com/posts/229782/revisions

Not sure what you mean?

@Bart side by side for me

@Bart I'm with Amal on this.

hmm

4:59 PM

Rev 3 is above rev 2 is above rev 1. But there's the "side-by-side" button which is off by default when I go to that page.

So not sure what you're asking.

This is what I mean: i.imgur.com/k9hM8nb.png

@Bart Ok, yeah I can reproduce what you see.

Oh. You've discovered a bug!

@Oded I just accessed the cs50 private site. I don't see any questions though.

@Bart: Let the party begin!

Q: Side-by-side diffs are not side-by-side

5:01 PM

AH

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This only seems to be an issue here on Meta. When in the side-by-side edit view, the two versions appear above each other instead of beside. The issue does not seem to depend on the browser width, and does not occur for side-by-side markdown.

bug design diff

Dammit

Oded

@ShadowWizard oh, the memories

@JoshuaDwire I believe it wasn't officially launched by edX.

@Oded Should I be able to access it though?

Oded

@JoshuaDwire not officially, I suppose. But are you really interested in participating there? Given its scope?

@JoshuaDwire it's an unlaunched private beta - any user accounts created will be destroyed at the official launch date

@Oded Honestly, I don't know anything about the site except that it's "For students of HarvardX CS50x: Introduction to Computer Science", which I'm not.

5:08 PM

I bet it's pretty lonely in there :)

@GeoffDalgas Just for a full disclosure, I got in by adding a cs50user cookie and then logging in. I just wanted to make sure the ability to do that wouldn't cause problems later.

You 1337 hacker you

nah - we honestly don't care that much

What do you guys think about this answer? The first answer on this thread answers the question and this was meant to be just additional information. But some people think it's useless and have downvoted it.

hi, hmm, how can I get more information about why my reputation was dropped by about 80 without any notice in the history?

5:15 PM

SO? MSE?

oh, I did not have the removed posts checked.

TADAAA!

why was this question deleted?

:)

stackoverflow.com/questions/21026772/…

stackoverflow.com/questions/21066822/…

or that?

5:16 PM

@AmalMurali Good answer, not a thing wrong with it.

both are completely valid Qt questions!

"A moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be undeleted"

I see that the user got removed....

he got suspensions before, etc.

roomba'd

but why are the good questions deleted?

I cannot even start an undeletion....

Flag it for undeletion

SIGH

5:17 PM

Yep

roomba is this stupid?

it had -1 score. If the answer was self-deleted, the question would go with it.

Both have negative scores. How is that "good"?

maybe votes from the answerer don't count?

@Louis We'll they are not deletable bad

5:19 PM

@Bart: The first comment was "kojio's answer was sufficient" (which was later deleted by a mod), but I'm not sure about the downvotes...

I rather think this user was deleted

for fraud stuff

@Bart Fair enough, but what you are saying there is more precise than labeling them "good".

and his questions correspondingly.

@AmalMurali You have enough upvotes on it. I'd ignore the downvotes unless someone comes forward with a valid reason.

anyways, I don't think it was a great loss.

5:20 PM

btw, I got some + reps as well by this user deletion.... so he must have had some downvotes on my answers :)

@GeoffDalgas How about dev.stackoverflow.com? Do you care if I can view it (but not participate in it)?

roomba is weirdo

@LaszloPapp It's there to make us all look sane. :p

@Bart: What do you think about the comments under the answer? Do you think they should be deleted as well? (Especially as the first comment no longer exists)

@Bart: ?

why would roomba delete it with positively scored answers?

5:22 PM

Flag for cleanup @AmalMurali. Something along the lines of "The original comment no longer exists. All subsequent comments are therefore obsolete. Perhaps they could be deleted".

or even with negative votes, but without closure?

@JoshuaDwire no, it's not super secret either - not much we do here is.. we just try and keep people from accidentally stumbling in our private sites (usually drunk)

@LaszloPapp Don't know the exact details. I'll see if I can dig up some details.

And note that I'm not 10k, so I don't have full visibility

grr

This Meta post has details.

well, I have got to go

another thing is that a serial downvote was not detected by the system

got 3 within a minute for relatively long posts, at the end of my answer queue with score ordering.

5:24 PM

Seems to me these questions should not have been deleted, because they had answers.

I thought 3 would be caught?

I have had them go undetected @LaszloPapp. It's no guarantee apparently

right, report time to the team then

I do not see any bump (e.g. through edits) trick either, but even then it would be suspicious all within a minute.

yeah, I just cannot get my head around to roomba deleting a question with answers having e.g. 5 upvotes.

without a closed question, etc.

then it was swept with user deletion, most likely.

the other thing is: how did I lose my rep when it happened on the fourth of January?

I thought you do not lose rep after 60 days?

the other was asked on the 9th of January.

is there any more condition for that than that?

also, I lost 25 rep when it was only having one upvote

probably it was selected and got deselected in the same step? Again, why?

5:33 PM

The post would have to have a score of at least +3 in addition to the 60 days afaik

that rule is probably not fair....

@Bart answer, or question?

think about +50/-48 for instance

one would lose 400 rep.

@LaszloPapp you don't deserve rep for answers that have +50/-48

@JanDvorak Let me look it up, but I think the rule is "post". So both.

5:34 PM

@JanDvorak: says who? The system will currently provide 400 rep for you.

@Bart both, or either?

well, 404, to be precise.

404: reputation not found

Ah, I think it only looks at your contribution @JanDvorak.

yeah, I thought someone would make that joke :)

Blog - Stack Exchange: Reputation and Historical Archives

5:35 PM

So if it's to a +gazillion question, your answer is not by definition saved

Shog9 on March 05, 2012

If you’ve been around Meta Stack Overflow the past few days, you’ve seen a fair bit of conversation sparked by the recent changes to how reputation is calculated:

To be clear: reputation values are not changing, every action in the system is still worth the same amount. Here’s what will be different:

Your reputation will be correct at all times

Deletions will have a much more immediate effect on reputation, not waiting on a recalc (but reputation sync takes up to 5 minutes on a delete/undelete action; as to not block the user’s response thread, it’s offloaded to a background queue) …

@Bart that would make sense, thanks.

anyway, this should be restored

the question is: can mods restore selected states, too?

From that blog: "First, if you’ve contributed something worthwhile to the site, you should keep the reputation for that even if it eventually gets deleted. “Worthwhile” here is defined as, A score of 3 or greater, Visible on the site for at least 60 days"

Laszlo's answer was just +1

Accepted answer? That shouldn't be lost @LaszloPapp

5:37 PM

I lost 25 rep, @Bart, and I only seem to have one upvote on one of the answers.

accepts don't do much. They merely pin the post to the top.

but I do not see it selected anymore.

@JanDvorak: that and 15 rep.

Hmm, I'm somewhat fuzzy on that @LaszloPapp.

and an indicator to some people that the problem is solved when browsing the list for unsolved questions.

s/15 rep/ 1.5 upvote/

5:38 PM

well, I think it is worth bringing this up on meta.

if there is no thread for "all of a sudden deleted" stuff.

I assume it is because the user got deleted, but ...

What is still an open question @LaszloPapp?

whether selected answers get unselected automatically

side thought: should I rename myself to gmail.com and set up a bot to reply to any notifications?

I am trying to look for an example, but it is kind of difficult.

Community is a moderator, too, apparently :)

@LaszloPapp yeah... that's a known issue. "It's rare enough, though, to be handleable by flagging as Other"

5:42 PM

@JanDvorak Ah, that's clever!

@JanDvorak: pardon?

Q: How can a question deleted by community be undeleted?

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On Dec 23, 2013 I edited two of my questions on Physics.SE: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/82673/aether-isnt-connected-to-earth http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/82453/are-fields-truely-continues Then I flagged them because one was marked duplicate and other as closed. ...

support deleted-questions community-user undelete

@Oded so you played it, eh? Remember how far you got? :)

@LaszloPapp "Plz send me the solution to example@gmail.com" - "You really shouldn't post your email publicly lest you might get undesired emails in your inbox.

A: Side-by-side diffs are not side-by-side

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Jin pushed a fix that will go live in the next build. Keep an eye out for rev 2014.4.24.2188.

5:44 PM

@ShadowWizard Thanks. GLORIOUS REP has been awarded.

@Bart can't give bounty yet, another bug is pending report before that.

@Bart: thanks.

@Bart: I am still interested in the automated selected answer removal.

Myeah, I wonder if that is reversed upon undeletion.