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1:29 AM

Haha, this is fantastic:

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Q: text in textbox shows up as circles instead of regular characters?

When i type in either of the textboxes i get little circles appearing instead of text. Why is this happening and how do i stop it? Code is as follows: HTML: <%@ Page Language="C#" AutoEventWireup="true" CodeBehind="MainPage.aspx.cs" Inherits="Foods.MainPage" %> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "...

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE MAKING THIS TEXTBOX SHOW LITTLE CIRCLES INSTEAD OF TEXT? HMMMMM?

animuson

@jadarnel27: Unicorns?

jadarnel27

@animuson Don't tell me, post an answer =P

animuson

Why is the site being so slow -.-

It keeps sending me 408 Request Time-out errors

I'm not having problems with any other sites... Even Gaming.SE doesn't do this o.o

Tim Stone

1:52 AM

I'm having the same issue across the network, actually.

Rebecca Chernoff

yes, we know things are ill right now.

animuson

#1 way to get rid of programmers --> SLOW INTERNET

AHHHHHHHH

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff It's OK, I'm playing games anyway. Carry on.

Rebecca Chernoff

lol, noted.

animuson

@TimStone: Is that on office time?

Tim Stone

2:06 AM

I was going to point out it's past 10:00 at night, but as it's coming from me, I suppose that doesn't really answer your question.

I've actually decided to do work, now... sighs

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone Crap. When did that happen?

Tim Stone

Apparently twelve minutes ago.

Only not for you, as you live in some non-normal timezone, right?

balpha

7:55 AM

@Lix Please stop flagging rooms for deletion because they're not interesting anymore. If they're dead, they'll get culled automatically eventually, and it's a public chat.

Lix

@balpha - sure thing. I thought that this was the accepted behavior. The room did not contain anything extremely valuable (on a technical standpoint). I was just trying to do my job at cleaning up. If you feel this is an annoyance - no problem - I'll let the rooms get removed automatically... Sorry.

balpha

no problem at all, just letting you know

Lix

Glad you did - otherwise I would have carried on :P

Lix

8:28 AM

@Jad - you see that? huh? U getting me in trouble with Balpha!

Szabolcs

Someone made a syntax highlighter userscript (and extension to prettify) for the beta site Mathematica.SE. The script was tested for a month before considering it ready (it works well), and integrating it into the site was requested almost a full month before today

There has been little material response apart from "we'll take a look".

What can we do to push this forward somehow?

People have worked hard on this script with enthusiasm (had to learn JavaScript for it too), and it's a real motivation killer to see it ignored for so long

It would be good to at least understand the difficulties in integrating it into the site.

balpha

8:53 AM

I'm sorry you feel that way, but "ignored for so long" is a little harsh; we have lots of things to do. However, I'm taking a look right now.

Szabolcs

@balpha Thanks for taking a look. I am simply worried that those members of our community who have worked on this and more importantly who are able to work on this (most of us don't know any JavaScript at all), will lose their motivation.

I am sorry if I sounded harsh, I didn't mean to. I was just trying really hard to draw some attention.

balpha

// Switch of the color-scheme due to many requests. Now it's like in the Mathematica-frontend. Keywords black, variables blue.

not sure I'm happy about that

is it really that standardized that there is only one color scheme?

Szabolcs

9:22 AM

@balpha Ever since the Mathematica front end (front end = GUI) started including syntax highlighting, blue meant undefined, and black meant defined. This has been translated to the syntax highlighter as: built-in functions--black, other symbols---blue. Since most Mathematica users are not programmers (they're physicists, mathematicians, academics), they won't have the expectation that keyword->blue, non-keyword->black. Instead they'll expect to see the same as in the Mathematica front end.

@balpha I think it's a really important point that we follow the convention. There's an eclipse-based IDE for Mathematica developers (not normal users, but package developers), which has defined:darkblue, undefined:light blue. But most people don't use this IDE.

balpha

it's been years since I've used mathematica, but I can't remember having syntax highlighting at all

I can see the point for mathematica.se, but I really don't like that for stack overflow

Szabolcs

@balpha Syntax highlighting was introduced in version 6 (2007 I think).

mark

Hello everyone

Szabolcs

@balpha Once common source of error is when people use either a built-in or a defined symbol as a "pure symbol" (e.g. as a variable in a symbolic equation). The syntax highlighting immediately draws attention to this. I've spotted errors in code posted to Mathematica.SE thanks to the syntax highlighter user-script (e.g. people using the uncommon but defined K). I think it's important to go with the convention and not break what we're used to.

Lix

Hi @mark

Szabolcs

9:29 AM

At least on Mma.SE --- there's not much activity on SO any more, everyone has moved to Mma.SE.

mark

I came over meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/71822/… and wondered if the "tag editor" is open source, too?

Hi @Lix

balpha

@mark no, it's way too specialized for our particular case

it's inspired by harvesthq.github.com/chosen though, maybe that can help you

look at "Multiple Select" in the "Selected and Disabled Support" section

mark

@balpha Found it. Yes, this looks very useful. Thanks a lot!

Lix

@balpha - that is a great link! Thanks for sharing! BOOKMARKED! ;)

Szabolcs

9:44 AM

@balpha Also, even on SO: the conventional colouring will be immediately familiar to anyone who uses Mathematica. The opposite of it will just be confusing. I'd think it's better to consider the target audience rather than those who might stumble upon a post but don't know any Mathematica. I've got to go now (a lot of work ahead..). Thanks for taking a look at this!!

balpha

@Szabolcs with the same argument, you could ask that C# questions should use the standard visual studio coloring (at which point the monodevelop users will come complaining, as well as those people who changed their VS colors), android questions should use eclipse coloring, objective-c questions should use xcode coloring, and so on. And suddenly stack overflow is a christmas tree of syntax highlighting colors, and people will still be complaining.

As I said, for mathematica.se I can see this (if that coloring is really such an overwhelming default for all mma users), but for SO, I very much object to this.

Szabolcs

10:10 AM

@balpha That's not really a good example because all those languages are used with many different IDEs or editors. This is not the case for Mathematica. Another difference is that in the Mathematica front end syntax highlighting is dynamic: it depends on what is defined at a given moment and what is not. So people pay attention to it. It's an important tool in avoiding mistakes. This mindset/habit carries over to reading code online as well.

@balpha That said, personally I only care about Mathematica.SE. It's a bit strange if SO uses the opposite, but there's little activity there these days, so it doesn't matter. I'd suggest to align all the colours with the other SO colour schemes on SO, including patterns (which are green and italic right now), to make it very clear that a different scheme is used.

@balpha But please do keep the current scheme of the userscript for Mathematica.SE. If you have doubts that this is important, post a question on Meta.Mma.SE to poll the community.

balpha

> The standard front end is used by default, but alternative front ends are available. They include the Wolfram Workbench, an Eclipse based IDE, introduced in 2006. It provides project-based code development tools for Mathematica, including revision management, debugging, profiling, and testing. Mathematica also includes a command line front end.

Mathematica

Mathematica is a computational software program used in scientific, engineering, and mathematical fields and other areas of technical computing. It was conceived by Stephen Wolfram and is developed by Wolfram Research of Champaign, Illinois. The name of the program "Mathematica" was suggested to Stephen Wolfram by Apple co-founder Steve Jobs although Stephen Wolfram had thought about it earlier and rejected it. Features Features of Mathematica include: *Elementary mathematical function library *Special mathematical function library *Matrix and data manipulation tools including support...

Szabolcs

10:29 AM

@balpha I use Mathematica daily, and I communicate with people who also use it. I am not trying to win an argument here. I am trying to make sure that Mathematica.SE will be usable and attractive for Mathematica users (not programmers). Please trust me on this---you yourself have said that you don't have much experience with Mathematica. I have a decent picture about what is being used and what is important.

@balpha It's up to you what you use on SO, but please listen to me, or at least ask the community when it comes to Mathematica.SE.

It wouldn't be productive for me to start going into details about what those alternative front ends are and how often they're used or what syntax highlighting they support ... the only one that's relevant is Workbench which I already mentioned.

balpha

Please don't accuse me of not caring what you say -- you're the expert here. And for the third time: "for mma.se, I can see this". However I'd still like to know some facts before deciding, and what wikipedia says (and you now say) contradicts what you said earlier.

Szabolcs

@balpha Oh, no, I wouldn't do that :)

@balpha I'm sorry if you misunderstood

@balpha I am sorry if I sounded confrontational. I am not a native English speaker, so if I sounded harsh, it was not intentional, maybe I tried too hard to express myself :-)

People made all sort of front ends. Practically no one uses them because the "official" front end provides essential functionality not available in the kernel. There are two exceptions: some command line front ends (still rarely used) and Workbench, which is an IDE for package development (commonly used by those who develop packages and have access to it). Workbench has blue for both cases, but different shades.

balpha

The code comment mentions the colors were chosen "due to many requests", so I assume there has already been discussion on that. Do you happen to know where?

I don't want to duplicate this :)

Szabolcs

@balpha There were two arguments to use the "inverse" scheme (blue-defined, black-undefined): 1. consistency on SO. That's a good point, but do we need consistency across sites? TeX.SE has a different scheme which matches the site design. 2. programmers are used to blue meaning defined. Well, most of our audience are not programmers, in fact one of the reasons of having a separate site was to make people who are not programmers feel welcome. And people who use Mathematica in the ...

... standard way are used to blue meaning undefined.

@balpha Let me search

@balpha I think most of it happened in chat. It'd be difficult to pick up all the pieces and put it together, the discussions are spread across several days. If you want a definitive community opinion, I suggest you post a new question on meta. I was the one who first suggested making the colour scheme consistent with the front end. But then I was the one who had the most comments on the highlighter anyway and helped halirutan with testing. To be honest, I don't remember the details.

@balpha Don't worry about duplication, just ask about it. I have to close this now, I'll miss my train ...

balpha

10:48 AM

Okay, thanks a lot so far

Szabolcs

@balpha Here's part of the chat discussion. It seems others didn't get involved in the colour scheme discussion much ... so it's best to ask again on meta to make sure it's not just my opinion that we should mimic the front end ;-)

Bye now! And thank you again for getting this moving again :-)

More here and here

balpha

don't miss your train ;)

Lix

12:04 PM

People on the other end of the world! Good morning! Welcome back to Meta Chat!
Here is something to start your day with a smile :)

►

Yi Jiang's Proble_

> I think you are on to something. Taking out the mark-down let me post but it would be good to see if I can get your solution working. The "(seemingly arbitrarily) inserted line breaks on lines with high Markdown" were added by Stack Overflow when I clicked the list formatting button.
==EDIT==
It works - thanks – dumbledad [5m ago](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126236/im-getting-your-post-appears-to-contain-code-that-is-not-properly-formatted-as/126239#comment341717_126239)

@balpha There's something interesting here - it seems like the way the editor auto formats lists is causing SO to think the list is actually code

balpha

yeah, I'm looking at that right now

jadarnel27

@Lix Phase one of my diabolical plan has come to fruition! Now on to phase two.

Lix

@jad - Dare I ask?

jadarnel27

@Lix I would not, if you value your sanity.

Lix

12:18 PM

lol :P IE7 it is ;)

jadarnel27

Hahaha!

@Lix Spectacular. That is a great way to start the morning.

Lix

I could listen to that on loop the whole day ;)
ok... probably not...

jadarnel27

Yeah, that would probably not be good for your sanity either =)

Lix

@jadarnel27 Said the programmer supporting IE 7 ;)

jadarnel27

You think that's bad, they tried to get me to support IE6 first.

Lix

12:28 PM

(* gasp *)
Blasphemy!

jadarnel27

I know! =P

Lix

Luckily for me - and my Facebook development - Facebook stopped supporting IE6 - so now I don't have to either ^_^ WIN

jadarnel27

Haha, that's some good news.

Lix

The problem is Win XP SP1 - it shipped with IE6 and loads of comapnies are still using thier old ghost images for formats... So people are left with IE6 ... :/

Tim Stone

2:11 PM

@balpha And, to be fair, Rebecca did just mention the other day it was being looked at when she asked halirutan and I about maintenance. (Maybe Szabolcs wasn't aware of that, though)

I also had some concerns about the performance of the gigantic keyword regex. I'm not sure that the impact is significant enough to be noticeable, but in a relative sense there's a pretty appreciable difference performance numbers-wise.

balpha

yeah, I had the same thought

there are a couple of smaller issues I'd love to go over with you two some time in the next couple of days, but overall it looks great

Tim Stone

Cool. I'm sure I'll be around, so you know where to find me if you have any questions. :P

(Not that I'm actually a Mathematica user or anything, but meddling, etc.)

Popular Demand

Anyone know why BoltClock has gone to the name "user137537"?

Tim Stone

Yes, sec

Lix

@pop - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/125994/…

Tim Stone

2:19 PM

> Let's all just revert to the names the system generates for us based on our IDs. – user137537 2d ago

Lix

@Tim - too slow ;)

Tim Stone

Argh! Beaten by a second.

Popular Demand

Ah, thanks. I saw that post earlier, but didn't care about it, so scrolling down did not happen.

Tim Stone

You should have cared, I posted a comment with Science™!

I also just found out that I apparently forgot we were playing Words with Friends at some point, and it seems I've now lost due to forfeiting the match.

Popular Demand

Translation: I'm awesome!

That must have been a while; I just remembered a game I was playing with someone else, and successfully put down a word after a five-day break.

Lix

2:27 PM

:( "It's not just you! stackoverflow.com looks down from here."

Popular Demand

I just assumed that we had finished a game and each of us expected the other to hit "Rematch."

Tim Stone

Heheh. Ah, I was screwed in that game anyway. I wanted to play liquid, but there wasn't anywhere on the board that would take it.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

> However, if you enter "Singapore", since it's a city-state, the country is the city. – cdeszaq 18h ago

Singapore, SUPPORTED! Ha, take that you live-in-big-non-specific-country-people

Popular Demand

That's more "bug masked due to edge case locale" than "supported."

Yi Jiang's Proble_

Pfft, same difference

I'll gloat whenever I can. Especially since the shiny websocket autoupdate thingadongdong still isn't working for me

Tim Stone

2:36 PM

I blame the horrible identity-switching proxy your ISP has.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

I just checked, it seems like Trello is using HTTP POST instead of websockets too

Is there a websockets test site I can go to to see if it's SE's fault or something else's?

I tried websocket.org/echo.html. It works, so the protocol itself is okay

Tim Stone

Hmm

Yi Jiang's Proble_

Does SE cut off connection when the IP address changes?

But that doesn't make sense. Well, maybe. I need to read up on how websockets work

Popular Demand

@YiJiangsProble_ If you find a good reference, please share. I've been meaning to do the same thing, but it's pretty low on my list.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

Well, there's the RFC, which I believe is the basis for all current implementations: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6455

It's not exactly easy reading though

Popular Demand

2:47 PM

No RFCs are. Well, maybe 1149.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

The W3C has the specifications, but that doesn't go into any detail about what happens behind the scenes

Tim Stone

2:59 PM

@YiJiangsProble_ Oh, it looks like this is actually disabled at the moment anyway.

Wonder if that was related to the slow down last night, hmm.

jadarnel27

4:07 PM

@TimStone Was there something on meta about it getting disabled? Or did you just notice the updates weren't happening anymore?

Tim Stone

Nope, I just checked the codez.

jadarnel27

Ahhh.
The codez is where it's at.

Kristian Antonsen

4:42 PM

How does the vote count work? Is it gradually reset or is there a specific time when it all gets reset?

i.e. does it count how many votes I've made in the last 24 hours, and it doesn't let me vote until that has gone below 40, so if I for instance have made 40 votes within the last 24 hours, if I wait one hour, I might only have made 39 votes?

Tim Stone

It resets at the beginning of the next UTC day.

Kristian Antonsen

OK, that's what I thought, but then there must be a bug somewhere.

I spend all my votes last night and it said I had to wait 21 hours until I could vote again. Just now it says I have to wait 7 hours. That all makes sense.

But I just managed to vote on a question nonetheless. It still says I can't vote though and that I have to wait 7 hours.

Now you might think "He voted on that question yesterday, but he didn't notice it until now", but the question is only 2 hours old, and I haven't been able to vote since yesterday.

Here's the question.. in question.

Tim Stone

It's possible that something you had voted on previously was deleted after you voted on it.

But you're right, you've definitely cast 41 votes.

Kristian Antonsen

Ah, yes, that must be it

By the way, where do you see that I've cast 41 votes?

Tim Stone

Lower right-hand corner of your profile, where it lists the votes you've cast in the day/week/month.

Kristian Antonsen

4:50 PM

Thank you.

Tim Stone

Happy to help. And now I'm off for a bit, as it's time to eat!

Kristian Antonsen

You can't.

Your status says you never leave.

jadarnel27

5:13 PM

@KristianAntonsen You haven't been here much. Otherwise, you'd know that @TimStone is a liar.

Popular Demand

@jadarnel27 You haven't been here much. Otherwise, you'd know that

Mar 14 at 17:30, by mootinator

As in this sentence: "A word to the wise, @TimStone doesn't like it when you ping him for no reason."

jadarnel27

Well played, @PopularDemand. Well played.

Popular Demand

Seven stars, man! Seven!

jadarnel27

I don't know what to do now. Should I run and hide? Apologize profusely? Blog about it? What?!?!?!?

Haha, just found this in some code from a third part dev:

/// <summary>
/// From http://stackoverflow.com/questions/601861/set-timeout-for-webclient-downloadfile/3052637#3052637
/// </summary>
internal class WebClientWithTimeout : WebClient
{

Attribution and everything =)

SantaFosco

5:37 PM

that's a pretty awesome comment..

Moshe

6:26 PM

Yup. I do that occasionally. Sure I have a some links to stackoverflow in my code.

jadarnel27

7:20 PM

Tom Wijsman

It has automatic updating!

animuson

Sending your order to the Pizza Hut location.

Woohoooo Pizza! That I don't have to pay for!

Anonymous

7:38 PM

4 reopen votes and 4 delete votes and the meta post's at 4 reopen votes. Intense.

SantaFosco

The Area51 situation with the Zend Framework proposal is enjoyable...

@JeremyBanks Holy crap... @Shog9 is Awesome!!! stackoverflow.com/a/245073/353988

Shog9

@JeremyBanks BOM BOM BOM...!

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hey all ^_^

Anonymous

:D

Popular Demand

April Fools' Day is coming. Anyone got anything good for SO this year?

Equinox

An equinox occurs twice a year, when the tilt of the Earth's axis is inclined neither away from nor towards the Sun, the center of the Sun being in the same plane as the Earth's equator. The term equinox can also be used in a broader sense, meaning the date when such a passage happens. The name "equinox" is derived from the Latin aequus (equal) and nox (night), because around the equinox, the night and day have approximately equal length. At an equinox, the Sun is at one of two opposite points on the celestial sphere where the celestial equator (i.e. declination 0) and ecliptic inters...

Dang, someone reversed the troll before it oneboxed.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

7:55 PM

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Q: Can there be way to see where links to my question are coming from?

I know there are badges for X number of times a question is viewed via a personal link to it. Is there any way (with the data explorer or something else) to view all of the referring pages for all of my questions? That way I can see who/from where all the views are coming from on my questions. ...

discussion feature-request permalink

jadarnel27

@PopularDemand What was the troll?

Tom Wijsman

Equinox

Piece of Doo-Doo

Something like that, @jadarnel27. Please note that I didn't do that edit... :/

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

What the heck?

Tom Wijsman

But really, you guys should stop vandalism there. :D

jadarnel27

@TomWijsman LOL, fantastic.

Anonymous

7:58 PM

goddamnit

Anonymous

They are fast.

jadarnel27

@TomWijsman Sure you didn't. Suuuuuuure.

Popular Demand

Tom Wijsman

@jadarnel27: Trace the IP?

Popular Demand

@jadarnel27 See above. Aren't heavily trafficked Wikipedia pages usually locked in some way?

jadarnel27

8:00 PM

@TomWijsman I already did. The wikipedia-vandal-elimination-squad is already en route to your location.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Haha

Anonymous

Equinox probably isn't vandalized too frequently. Maybe these events will trigger a lock.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Oy... who wrote my name? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.162.180.183

Popular Demand

On a regular day, probably, but I would think any Google doodle topic on the day of the doodle would get one. Oh well.

jadarnel27

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Have you ever noticed the chat feed that oneboxes every one of your meta posts in this room right after it's posted?

Anonymous

8:03 PM

@PopularDemand Oh, I didn't realize it was the doodle topic.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@jadarnel27 nope, never knew that.

@jadarnel27 Where does it do that? I dont see it.

Anonymous

@jadarnel27 :P

jadarnel27

=)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

I am confuzed...

jadarnel27

@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Just keep looking. I'm sure it will jump out at you eventually ;-)

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

8:10 PM

@jadarnel27 :-\ I am very gullible, so i don't know where i should be looking.

SantaFosco

lol.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff EEEEK! (I decided I was curious about what the situation was with the realtime updates)

Rebecca Chernoff

Hm?

Tom Wijsman

@PopularDemand Seems someone caught it.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff They're not currently active on the network?

Rebecca Chernoff

8:15 PM

indeedily

Tim Stone

Aye. Should we mourn them, or wait patiently? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Wait patiently

Tim Stone

mmk, thanks!

Popular Demand

Man, Wikipedia post history pages are hard to read. Maybe I'm just not accustomed to them.

Anonymous

@TomWijsman wp:Talk:Equinox#Temporary_semiprotection_to_prevent_vandalism_requested

jadarnel27

8:18 PM

@PopularDemand I was just thinking the same thing.

animuson

Haha they protected the page xD

SantaFosco

8:36 PM

dropped a bounty on this, hoping someone can come up with an actual solution: stackoverflow.com/questions/9756327/…

SantaFosco

8:48 PM

1

Q: How can I restore the iPad frame around iOS Simulator 5.1?

With Xcode 4.3.1, Apple ships the new iOS 5.1 Simulator. Unfortunately, it looks like when you run iPad hardware, there's no longer the iPad frame around the sim window. Does anyone have any idea how to restore that frame? I often use the simulator to demo features to others via screen sharing, a...

xcode ios-simulator

Anonymous

o.O

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

0

Q: Is there a mod "impeachment" process?

I don't think it has come to it yet anywhere, but if it ever does, is there a mod impeachment process in place to remove a(n evil) mod from his or her throne if it comes to it?

discussion moderation moderators

@JeremyBanks seems like its still working

Anonymous

Ah, yeah, sometimes it takes a sec.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@JeremyBanks ^_^

Evan Carroll

9:46 PM

HALLO EVERYONE

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@EvanCarroll shalom

Moshe

10:18 PM

Is the a unix command to tell th filesystem f the active disk?

Or better, recover a deleted directory?

yoda

10:44 PM

@balpha To add to what @Szabolcs mentioned earlier today, here is the background to the script — specifically, you can see that we tried to maintain as much functionality of the front end as possible (i.e., detecting patterns in function definitions) and only the part that requires knowledge of the scope of the variable (which is beyond what js can do) has been left out.

Most of the conversation took place in chat and hence is hard to search for, but you can try looking for conversations around this and this

Lix

11:23 PM

@Moshe - not that I know of...

Moshe

I've seen...

Oh well.

Lix

you mean like undoing rm -rf?

Moshe

rm -r

Yea

Lix

mmmm - essentially no... :P well like no recycle bin type things...

Moshe

yea...

A classmate deleted an exam by mistake.

Which I need to go finish now.

Lix

11:26 PM

ug... what were u reading it in? maybe there is a temp file

Moshe

@Lix It was an entire directory. Doubt it.

Lix

yea... not likely...

that sucks man

Moshe

Well, looks like the service provider runs rsync

Anonymous

11:51 PM

/r/science is currently discussing the possibility of heavier moderation, while most of Reddit revels in unmoderated stupidity. Sounds a bit familiar. The interesting part about this thread is the users are demanding heavier moderation, while the moderators are saying they wouldn't be able to get away with it.

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