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It was a "I'm not going to copy my real code which has a syntax error in it, but I'm getting an error in this perfectly valid code I'm entering instead" type question.

jcolebrand

lol

I love those

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Tweeted by GBeezlie on September 19, 2011 at 1:29 AM

mootinator

oOoo

I like the new simpler interface.

jcolebrand

hehehe

mootinator

2:38 AM

Apparently they're giving out some statues somewhere.

mootinator

3:47 AM

And apparently some members of a certain group really do have something against math and science. O_o.

Reno

5:56 AM

Are cross-voting patterns auto detected with a script ?

I'm pretty sure I've seen cross voting done by the android nyancats.

Sathya

6:51 AM

@Reno yeah they are.

well, afaik anyway.

suri sahani

8:27 AM

hotveryspicy

hello

suri sahani

I can't see any reason for doing this by some user.

Also, Reno has removed me from Android Room without any reason, is this StackOverflow user's are all about.

tombull89

@surisahani Define "Removed". Is that removed write access or something else?

suri sahani

@Sathya cross-voting was done by Reno, by giving me a -ve repo on my answer.

@tombull89 removed my write access.

hotveryspicy

OMG 200 points down

is it a bonus of my performance from SO? or anything else

can can anyone know me why so?

tombull89

8:31 AM

@surisahani Well, ultimately, it's up to him. If you've got a problem, take it to Meta.StackOverflow.

Can I ask... which Android room?

suri sahani

Android Room on StackOverflow.

And where should I take it to?

hotveryspicy

its better if drawn the attention of moderator in this case. use flag

tombull89

@surisahani Meta.StackOverflow is the site for discussion about the StackOverflow/StackExchange sites.

suri sahani

Ok, Thanks.

tombull89

@surisahani Flagging is also an option, however.

suri sahani

8:41 AM

Ok.

Sathya

@surisahani I don't see what's wrong in pointing out that.

Reno

I've removed you temporarily because I think you have been cross voting. Till it is proven otherwise I'll have to keep your access to read-only. Sorry.

Sathya

whether it's true or false - I don't know. It is a valid comment.

hotveryspicy

I think? baseless

suri sahani

@Reno Well, I know the reason for you removing me out. You got two negative points on the same question I answered, so you are blaming me for that.

@Sathya How Reno can tell to a user that you have checked the wrong answer, I think its the user who knows his requirement according to the question.

Reno

8:45 AM

Well voting rings do that. Look if you haven't participated in cross voting then I'll give you access.

hotveryspicy

Sathya

@surisahani the question's about what's the difference between onclick() and OnClickListener() - I don't see what's user specific about that?

suri sahani

@Reno Well, if you are not sure that I had done the cross voting, how can you punish me removing from Android Room, you should do that when I am caught in cross voting.

@Sathya exactly what I answered about, but Reno is saying that I should also given what is the relationship between onclick() and OnClickListener() which the user hasn't asked for.

hotveryspicy

But @Sathya pointing a user directly which not meet SO quality.

Sathya

@hotveryspicy ?

@surisahani he didn't say you - he said the OP's selection of accepted answer is not the best choice. What's wrong with that?

hotveryspicy

8:50 AM

@Sathya look at the comment on that questions

Sathya

as for your answer - he's just pointed out you've put in the definition not the difference - again what's wrong in that?

hotveryspicy

Alt+F4

suri sahani

Well, @Sathya please look at that once again Reno forced the user to change his decision I can prove.

hotveryspicy

there are peoples on SO who don't want to learn serious became a headache now. they can't see the progress of others. looser

suri sahani

This is not fair at all.

Sathya

8:52 AM

@surisahani @reno hasn't forced anything - he's pointed it out. Whether the user has listened to Reno or not is irrelevant.

seriously, why are you making such a big deal out of this? This has happened to me - someone pointed my answer was wrong, and I have accepted it. What is the big deal in being shown that you're wrong?

hotveryspicy

@Reno tell me your problem.. Doomsday

suri sahani

@Sathya my answer was not wrong I think, Reno is asking me to answer it in a extra way that the user hasn't asked for.

Reno

hmm where do I start, well first : looser should be loser.

Sathya

@surisahani so don't if you disagree.

hotveryspicy

you can't see my progress .

Reno

8:56 AM

er .. on the reputation tab I can?

suri sahani

@Sathya So, then what made him remove me from Android Room.

Sathya

@surisahani that's his prerogative.

suri sahani

@Sathya Reno is taking advantage of being the owner of that Room.

Reno

Ok I'll give you access, if you promise to stop sobbing. Jesus Christ.

hotveryspicy

52 secs ago, by Reno

Ok I'll give you access, if you promise to stop sobbing. Jesus Christ.

Reno

8:59 AM

But remember if any crossvoting is detected, I'll have to remove you. Nothing personal.

hotveryspicy

lol

suri sahani

@Reno Well, I thing is sure that how can you tell the user directly that "You accepted the wrong answer."

Reno

Can't I?

suri sahani

And instead of helping other's on StackOverflow you are never replying the user's, that is not fair at all.

hotveryspicy

and without any clue you always blaming a users.

suri sahani

9:01 AM

Well, If you think my answer was not wrong you should solve the user's problem and after that also the user was having problem in that question.

in Android Discussion on Stack Overflow Chat, yesterday, by SPK

@hotveryspicy : Which one is best to do for click events.. Onclick or onclicklistener

Check this, what the user asked after checking the answer on that question.

Pied Piper

@Reno Why don't you joining any intelligence agency ? our country requires that

suri sahani

And this was the reply.

in Android Discussion on Stack Overflow Chat, yesterday, by hotveryspicy

read the answer of your question on SO

hotveryspicy

waiting

suri sahani

It's my request that Reno should be told to stop taking advantage for being the owner of Android Room and help user's instead of making confusion between them.

hotveryspicy

he need a rest i think so.

suri sahani

9:08 AM

@Reno I know you got two negative repo. today that made you take me out of Android Room, and you thought that I was me who did that, but not so.

I am here to learn Android.

Reno

Down-votes hardly bother me.

Cross voting is more of upvoting others.

Pekka

What the balls is going on here?

hotveryspicy

you are suffering from disease of Cross-Vote.

tombull89

@Pekka don't...even...ask...

Pekka

@tombull89 heh. You're probably right.

hotveryspicy

9:12 AM

Help Help Help

Reno

did you mean 'nyan nyan nyan'

Pekka

We really need a mod in here.

With a big hammer.

Pied Piper

lols

Sathya

you know, personal attacks really don't help anyone.

Pekka

Can somebody please kick these clowns out of this room?

@jcolebrand?

Sathya

9:21 AM

@Pekka he isn't a Mod on Meta.SO..

tombull89

@Sathya Nah, he's the room owner.

(one of two)

Pekka

Ahh, Tim Post to the rescue! :)

tombull89

>:D

Sathya

ah

Tim Post

What IS it with CHAT today? KINDERGARTEN!

Pekka

9:25 AM

@TimPost Android. Need I say more?

Tim Post

I'm in the C++ lounge right now for the exact same issue. Is it the moon?

Alright, I think that cleans it up a bit

Reno

11:02 AM

@TimPost are you there? Looks like these guys are getting creative at annoying me.

someone made an account using a picture stolen of me.

tombull89

Oh, come on. That's going from irritaing to harassment.

Reno

and here is the SO account

Pekka

These dudes need banning.

tombull89

@Pekka ...and a proper ban, too. Not just from one room or site, from the whole SE network.

Reno

This has happened before.

I should have sent a mail to the so team.

They've made accounts on other websites besides SO/SE network. Especially that Manjot guy: I had to block him.

Tim Post

11:26 AM

<sigh>

The current chat picture is one of you?

As in right now, @Reno ?

If it is, consider it done

tombull89

@TimPost Yes, the profile picture of ZeroX is Reno.

Tim Post

Handled.

Fake accounts burninated on so/mso

that user never happened.

Time for an IP ban

tombull89

@TimPost Thing is, it's a large-ish group of users, not just one.

Tim Post

@tombull89 I was being sardonic

tombull89

d'aww.

Tim Post

11:36 AM

I can sit here and destroy fake troll accounts all night, I literally have nothing better to do. That's kind of .. sad, actually, now that I think about it.

Pekka

Be glad. Not having anything to do from time to time is very healthy.

Tim Post

Oh, I've plenty to do, I'm just too tired to do most of it. Once I catch myself making stupid mistakes I stop

Reno

@TimPost yep that is me. It was from my dailybooth account which I have had to made private due to this. Thanks :)

Tim Post

No worries, @Reno .. sorry about the clown.

Tim Post

12:09 PM

Oh hg .. could your branches suck any worse?

I've been using mercurial for years, and it's branching still escapes me

mootinator

3:11 PM

Good morning.

Chacha102

Arrrrggh Me Harties!

mootinator

Ahoy!

Chacha102

Do you know what day it is you scalliwaggers?

mootinator

wait for it...

I mean, avast me hearties, it be comin'!

Inappropriate pirate image day!

close... argh.

3:26 PM

lol ... argh

It's international avoid work because you're on Google images search day!

Chacha102

argh

jcolebrand

oh goody, words with pirates (or whatever they call it) should be working today :D

Aye, words with pirates

mootinator

3:43 PM

words with scallywags

jcolebrand

apparently they only intended it to be a one-off app as now I can't get into it >_<

mootinator

I just linked to Experts Exchange unironically in a comment. I await my ban.

Chacha102

BURN HIM BURN HIM!! argh

mootinator

Those brigands!

If I could build a pirate ship in minecraft and sail the blocky seas, I would be a happy old salt.

I should probably inform my bosses how many times a day I get distracted and do something else while waiting 40 seconds for a fogbugz page to load.

jcolebrand

Apparently that app is just flat out ignored now :(

mootinator

3:49 PM

:/

mootinator

4:33 PM

steals @jcolebrand's javascript template :P

jcolebrand

which one?

mootinator

/ all naming etc in here is just that, naming. I expect to rename things once I get the idea right.

jcolebrand

lol

mootinator

Excellent header ;)

jcolebrand

are you watching the node room or somesuch?

or my gists?

mootinator

4:35 PM

I followed your github account a bit ago.

Not actually a lot of activity on the things I follow there normally.

jcolebrand

Yay!?

mootinator

WAHOO?

Wait, no. ARRRRRRRRRRR!

jcolebrand

lol

mootinator

Apparently I have 11 minutes left on my original estimate of the current Fogbugz task I'm working on and haven't started yet. Oops. O_o.

jcolebrand

I do that a lot

but isn't EBS awesome

mootinator

4:40 PM

Basically.

Pekka

4:55 PM

I would like to be able to call specific internet users. Like the OP of this question:

-2

Q: incompatable web browser

My husband and I are having an issue logging on to facebook. Each time we log on, we get: You are using an incompatible web browser..Sorry, we're not cool enough to support your browser. Please keep it real with one of the following browsers: Mozilla Firefox Google Chrome Saf...

I would just politely ask them how the hell they ended up asking this question on SO?

Because I don't think they're doing anything wrong, as such. They're just not reading anything, but following a click path.

That click path apparently lead them from Facebook to Stack Overflow. Via the developer help center.

Amazing.

Tim Stone

Yeah, I just tried browsing a few links on Facebook and searching Google for things that OP might have searched for, and I can't make myself end up at SO...so that would be very interesting to know, heh.

mootinator

I always just browse directly to facebook.com/common/browser.php. Why can't I get in to Facebook?

Tim Stone

:D

Oh, I see PlasticSCM really cleaned up their advertising...

Much better. >_>

tombull89

5:17 PM

@TimStone this...is a joke...right? right?

Tim Stone

Do they just..not have advertising people, or what?

@tombull89 Well, I didn't laugh when it appeared on Stack Overflow, but maybe I just have a limited sense of humour.

mootinator

Is being limited by version control a common problem?

Tim Stone

Apparently

mootinator

Speaking of which. Note to self: Get Slap Chop so food/life can stop being boring.

jcolebrand

@TimStone I'm still not laughing?

mootinator

5:21 PM

Limited by someone's vertical monopoly? Try Android and get control back.

I made that line make sense.

(Self high five.)

Tim Stone

@mootinator Yes, having finely chopped garlic and an assault charge would surely spice things up.

@jcolebrand Another -1 to PlasticSCM then

Neal

6:02 PM

haha:

0

Q: Please answer don close it

This program will give the decrpted value for the mentioned value(i.e. encryptedstring).. i want to know how to reverse this process.. i.e from decrypted value i need to get the encrtpted string.. package pass1; import java.security.spec.AlgorithmParameterSpec; import javax.crypto.Cipher; impo...

java encryption encrypted

mootinator

Who is this don person and why wasn't my 'belongs on Yahoo Answers' implemented.

Neal

lol

Popular Demand

6:19 PM

@Pekka You, sir, have obviously never read College Humor's fascinating compendium of research collectively titled "Parents Just Don't Understand."

Tim Stone

> "closed as not a real question by Platinum Azure, Neal, Oded, zzzz, mootinator...!!" Wat z not real...?? i need a solution, pls look into this .. y yu ppl always closing my qustions... ?? – user952977 14m ago

...

Neal

@TimStone HA!

mootinator

Tempted to comment: +1 saying the same thing as I did only in less detail and 5 minutes later.

Neal

the Q was reopened?

close as dupe anyone?

genesis-φ

Lol. fire

-4

Q: Uploading a file with html, javascript, and php

So I am trying to get my upload file code to work better. If someone could show me a simple way to upload a file, that could help me simplify my code, where it only uses javascript and php.

php

Popular Demand

6:32 PM

Yeah, I'm not clear on why you voted to reopen either, @mootinator.

Neal

0

Q: "You have already voted to close" -- question was reopened

The following question: How to encript a string with DES? was closed due it not being a real question. Now it was reopened and it is a duplicate. So as usual I click on close but I get this dialog: Hmmmmm oddd... I voted to have it closed before, but that was something completely different. ...

discussion support bug vote-to-close

mootinator

@PopularDemand I er ahh

Neal

@PopularDemand its not letting me vote to close again ^^^

mootinator

Effed up

10 demerits

Neal

close for dupe...

mootinator

6:34 PM

status-not-gonna-happen

genesis-φ

Yes, it's not a bug, it's by-design

Neal

7:11 PM

48 mins ago, by Tim Stone

> "closed as not a real question by Platinum Azure, Neal, Oded, zzzz, mootinator...!!" Wat z not real...?? i need a solution, pls look into this .. y yu ppl always closing my qustions... ?? – user952977 14m ago

oooo when did they add the auto-complete username thing on comment replies?

genesis-φ

~3 days ago ?

@neal how do you quote a comment?

Neal

7:32 PM

10 secs ago, by genesis-φ

@Neal how did you do this?

balpha

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/38/sandbox

jcolebrand

→ 53 messages moved to The Trash Heap

→ 27 messages moved to The Trash Heap

that cleans up the recent stuff nicely enough for now

genesis-φ

@jcolebrand looks cleaner, thanks

balpha

jcolebrand

Exactly

jcolebrand

7:54 PM

since I apparently missed it all day ... theoatmeal.com/comics/netflix

Tim Stone

lmao

Moshe

@jcolebrand - Are you cleaning the chat logs again?

Tim Stone

Yeah, I was very confused reading that email this morning.

jcolebrand

no

>.>

<.<

mootinator

8:58 PM

This site needs more bots skimming around and upvoting my answers.

And by this site I mean every StackExchange site.

genesis-φ

>.>

just create sockpuppet acc

I do it everyday

mootinator

:P

genesis-φ

whoops, I probably shouldn't say that here

mootinator

I'd feel too inclined to participate in the site with a sockpuppet.

In the end it would hinder me.

genesis-φ

WT... vandalism flag declined?

> vandalism, and this post is quite fine – 4 hours ago declined - flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention

huh

jcolebrand

9:02 PM

what vandalism?

genesis-φ

of own posts

jcolebrand

yes, if you delete too many at one time you flip the vandalism flag

but I thought only mods saw those

genesis-φ

no. Every community ♦ flag appears for everyone 10k

jcolebrand

Ah, I didn't think that happened

genesis-φ

I just submitted that "this post is ok and should be undeleted" -> declined

@jcolebrand what didn't happen?

jcolebrand

9:05 PM

I didn't think you saw all the flags as a 10k

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/102872/…

genesis-φ

I have no idea

but I think I see all of them

ah ...

> Please keep in mind that people often do go through their answers and remove posts that were down voted, or never up-voted. Additionally, people sometimes go through old 'tumbleweedish' questions and remove them to raise their acceptance rating. This is perfectly regular and normal behavior.

so what is vandalism? when they're deleting upvoted answers?

balpha

you know it when you see it

jcolebrand

was the flag from community?

genesis-φ

yes

jcolebrand

or did you try and vote it yourself as vandalism?

Ah, yes.

genesis-φ

9:07 PM

I don't see "other" flags from users

jcolebrand

Just keep this in mind: if you don't know how to handle a flag, leave it

genesis-φ

@jcole voted? I have flagged it as vandalism, it got declined

okay

jcolebrand

flags = votes

genesis-φ

Okay, thanks

mootinator

Vandalism is what @jcolebrand likes to do to bad posts.

genesis-φ

9:09 PM

I'll make a big step away from community flag

jcolebrand

@mootinator no, that's pis .. you're right

Trufa

9:23 PM

hi guys!

mootinator

@jcolebrand That's a terrible metaphor.

jcolebrand

@mootinator it's a great metaphor!

@Trufa hello hello, goodbye goodbye

Trufa

@jcolebrand hehe see you around!

mootinator

@jcolebrand Streaming movies and snail-mail movies are in no way two fundamental parts of a single unified product.

Trufa

@mootinator do you have 5 min, may I ask you a quick question about oop?

mootinator

9:31 PM

@Trufa Okay, sounds fun.

Trufa

:)

mootinator

Though I'm not sure when I became an expert.

Trufa

thanks! hehe you'll probably know more than me, it is actually quite hard to know less :)

Lets say I creating a game right, where I need to create 100 rectangles

Usually when I want a rectangle I do Rectangle rect = new Rectangle();

mootinator

rect(x,y,x1,y1)

okay

Trufa

yeah sure

okay my question is

how do I create 100 rectangles

say in a for loop

what confuses me in particular

is that they cant all be called "rect"

mootinator

9:35 PM

Not having a data structure in mind?

You put them in some sort of data structure.

Trufa

@mootinator I'm gussing no because I'm not sure what that is

mootinator

Like an array.

Trufa

Ohhh

yes, I wouldn't mind having them all in an array or whatever

mootinator

var rectangles = new Rectangle[100];
for (int i = 0; i < 100; i++){
  rectangles[i] = new Rectangle();
}

For C# instance.

Trufa

Hmmm very interesting! I think that is exactly what I was looking for

new Rectangle[100]

What is the meaning of putting square brakets

instead of the normal"()"

mootinator

9:41 PM

That's the notation for creating an array.

Trufa

Ohhh

you are creating an array of rectangles

?

mootinator

Yes. Then putting the actual rectangle instances in it.

Trufa

awesome, I knew there had to be a simple way, for some reason, they don't teach that early enough

mootinator

I remember being confused about that.

Trufa

@mootinator thank you very much!!!

This has been bugging me for quite a while

and I was not sure how to search for it, it is hard to bring it down to a google search

mootinator

9:45 PM

Indeed, half the challenge of programming with all the help available on Google/SO is knowing the language with which to describe your problem.

Trufa

@mootinator indeed!!

Has this got a specific name?

Making an array with and object?

jcolebrand

you could call it initialization

but that's not really true

it sort of is

mootinator

object arrays, but that's kind of narrow.

Anonymous

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Q: Does SO need social networking features to improve the experience for advanced users?

No, not like this. Hear me out! As Stack Overflow grows, it becomes increasingly ridden with newbie questions. It's just natural. The team are fighting hard to keep the crap out, but there are many very basic questions that are okay on their own. They don't deserve to be kicked out* - they ar...

feature-request questions question-quality social-networking

Anonymous

An interesting suggestion.

mootinator

9:52 PM

I'd probably look up 'Data structures in [language]' to get started with that on some language I wasn't familiar with.

Trufa

I'll take a look then!

jcolebrand

@JeremyBanks I support this

Trufa

Thank you very much @mootinator !!

@jcolebrand you too

:)

jcolebrand

I offered three sentence fragments and get a TY :D

mootinator

=)

Now to get something done in the next hour.

@JeremyBanks I want to give that suggestion +2.

But there's no google plus link, so I'll have to settle for just the one.

Anonymous

10:05 PM

Yeah, it sounds really good. I hope it gets implemented.

mootinator

Now I'm forced to wonder whether someone has made a userscript to do that yet.

Shog9

@Trufa Ask on Programmers.SE. And give examples. Clear, specific, examples.

Trufa

@Shog9 sound advice. I will, you're right! It may help me and people in the future.

@belisarius hey! how are you?

long time no see!

belisarius

Hi Trufa!

@Trufa How is that uni going?

Trufa

@belisarius awesome! I'm with ¿mid terms? now so I'm quite burn out, but it really cool

Very demanding of course, but I knew I was signing up for that

@Shog9 programmers.se not SO?

belisarius

10:16 PM

@Trufa Nice to hear that. :) (not the demanding part)

Trufa

thanks! :)

you all good?

belisarius

@Trufa Yeah. Working more than I want to. But that seems politically correct for most :o)

Trufa

@belisarius hehe I know that feeling

mootinator

That was easy.

Popular Demand

@Pekka Late reference (I was at work before)

Shog9

10:41 PM

@Trufa Sounds like more of a programmers thing to me; terminology / communication / soft stuff

Trufa

@Shog9 cool :) almost done.

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Q: What it is a data structure of a certain type called?

I'll try to keep this as much language agnostic as I can but I'll give the examples in C# since I now know how to solve it that language. The question came to mind when I was thinking of how could I instantiate many objects of the same type. Lets say I wanted to create one rectangle, I would do...