Tavern on the Meta

12:33 AM

I'm probably being mean by linking an expensive text book in answers where I say "this is a textbook example of [some problem]".

Yi Jiang

Cccooolllldddd.... (shivers)

Dan Grossman

Me, or the weather?

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman The weather

Dan Grossman

Colder here than where you are right now

Canada's arctic air got dragged down over North America, it's freezing all over

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman I'm from the tropics, dammit

Dan Grossman

12:43 AM

Tim Stone

1:09 AM

@RebeccaChernoff No README and no ?. For shame!

Rebecca Chernoff

alpha

Tim Stone

Minecraft is in alpha too. It has its own wiki.

;)

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Different definition of alpha here, heh

Tim Stone

Hmm?

Yi Jiang

Hmmmm... is anyone else seeing this?

Tim Stone

1:13 AM

@YiJiang Yep

Yi Jiang

I think somebody stuck an unicode/something Apple in there, but which encoding?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Surely some lame Mac encoding.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Yeah, who else but Apple will include their own logo in their character set :P

@Jin Can you confirm this?

drachenstern

Safari mobile doesn't render that

Oh that wasn't a onebox

Tyler Chacha

I need to make a tool that automatically generates the manifest file for Triton..

Yi Jiang

1:23 AM

@drachenstern Haha... right, I should make one

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/38/apple-chat

drachenstern

So are you asking what's before the word apple?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Yes, what do you see?

drachenstern

A solid B&W apple logo

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Yup, as I'd suspected :P

drachenstern

Brb

Tim Stone

1:30 AM

@YiJiang It's a test, so they can see if you're using a Mac!

Dan Grossman

A Flash game that can only be played once. Make your choices and live with them. newgrounds.com/portal/view/555181

drachenstern

Helpful or not so much?

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Nice. Shame on them. :P

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Q: Self-instigated rep recalc

In a few situations, it's nice to be able to get a rep recalc "on demand." In the past, I've simply pinged Marc Gravell about this, but it would be good not to have to bother him. As an example, this morning I received lots of "dodgy" votes early in the day. They were removed later on, but then ...

status-completed

gasps and waits for more details

Rebecca Chernoff

you could just read the new answer (;

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff It wasn't there yet. :p

Rebecca Chernoff

1:38 AM

Excuses, excuses.

Tim Stone

It was posted at exactly the same time that I oneboxed ;)

I knew it was coming, that's why I was waiting!

Rebecca Chernoff

q:

Tim Stone

Don't make me post more issues on Github!

Jin

@YiJiang yeah the apple icon doesn't show up for non osx users

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Issue #28: @RebeccaChernoff persistently uses heretically aligned smilies. Requesting feature to aid in correcting this, including preventing aforementioned person from posting such smiles and autocorrecting all previously posted smilies

Rebecca Chernoff

1:47 AM

status-not-a-chance

status-nevah-gonna-happen

Tim Stone

I think it's clear by the star wall over there which smiley direction is superior (Honestly, I'm surprised at the results) :P

Yi Jiang

Tim Stone

Well, surprised at the results and the fact that they were starred to begin with, but that's a separate story.

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone, but if you sum up all the instances of stars on (:, it'll be real obvious which one wins q:

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Meh, there was never a problem to start with :P

Rebecca Chernoff

1:48 AM

the one time y'all starring my posts works in my favor! (;

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Hrm, you win this round!

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff (Gasp) Her evil plan to take over the world and turn our face around! (runs)

drachenstern

The mob is fickle you know (;)

Rebecca Chernoff

...are you saying I'm in the mob?

drachenstern

Lolwut

Nick T

1:53 AM

Wonder what weighs more, @RebeccaChernoff or a duck.

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drachenstern

I am, however, saying I think my phone is trying crack ... It keeps vibrating with no impetus ...

@NickT ... Whaaaa?

That's a bad mob joke huh?

Yi Jiang

@NickT (waits for @RebeccaChernoff to flag)

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Those two issues enough to keep you busy for now? :P

Nick T

Psh, kids these days, never seen Monty Python

drachenstern

Referencing witches? Didn't click immediately

Bbl

Rebecca Chernoff

1:57 AM

I got the reference, I ignored it. (;

Yi Jiang

It's a Mob! Of @RebeccaChernoff's!

Popular Demand

@NickT Psh. Back in my day, we didn't have comedy. It was all drama, and we were glad for that.

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang ...

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Is there some way to apply the opposite of a star to this?

drachenstern

@YiJiang are you familiar with the US game show 1 vs 100? The 100 are called "the mob". Would also be clever in that regard. #JustSayin

Rebecca Chernoff

2:06 AM

@PopularDemand I think that's called a flag.

drachenstern

Lmao @ flag

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Oy!

Popular Demand

@RebeccaChernoff It's not offensive really, just... bizarre.

Nick T

Back when I was young they had tragedies

Why does the flag icon look like an up arrow

Rebecca Chernoff

Huh? It's a flag.

Nick T

2:12 AM

Right. Sure it is.

Rebecca Chernoff

|:

Dan Grossman

google.com/search?q=|:

Yi Jiang

Just wait till I make it flashing!

Dan Grossman

:clicks:

Michael Petrotta

@YiJiang: link is anticlimactic.

Yi Jiang

2:23 AM

@MichaelPetrotta Hehe... You can't do the usual image link thing with MiniMarkdown

Moshe

@YiJiang Oy.

Dan Grossman

I wonder... :goes to write some code:

Yi Jiang

:( My Toblerone has been broken into many two letter pieces

Tyler Chacha

Oy

Dan Grossman

Tyler Chacha

2:32 AM

Why do you have my IP?

Dan Grossman

Everyone see their IP?

lol

because you downloaded the image

Tim Stone

omg, now everyone will know my IP! :O! </omglolz-joke> Heh. :P

Dan Grossman

nobody else sees your IP

you see your own

Yi Jiang

Mine says United States, so this Hotspot Shield thingy must be working

Michael Petrotta

What machine is that? I found an open C$ share there, and deleted it for laughs, and now my computer won't boot.

Yi Jiang

2:34 AM

@DanGrossman Of course, by requesting that image, the image server can, although that's hardly a problem :P

Dan Grossman

@MichaelPetrotta lol

Yi Jiang

(whistles innocently, goes off to watch Hulu)

Dan Grossman

only 5 lines of code in PHP

:waits for someone to write it in 4 lines of another language:

Michael Petrotta

DoIt()

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman Now if you can create one that can display my name, gender and exact location I'll be truly impressed :P

Michael Petrotta

2:38 AM

It's a DSL I invented just now, for generating IP-reporting images.

Petrotta++

Dan Grossman

Eh, I could do scary things, but then someone will freak out and sue me, like they sued YouPorn today for sniffing browser history.

Apparently if a porn site does it, it's bad. If Google tracks you across over 80% of all webpages worldwide, it's fine.

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman Eh... I don't really think that much info can be gleaned from an IP address and whatever info the browser sends over

Michael Petrotta

from this non-webdev guy, the youporn thing is a neat hack. hasn't it been reported before?

Dan Grossman

@YiJiang Yeah, but I have full first-party JavaScript control of over 50,000 websites, some of them quite popular. I could potentially tie your identity across all those sites, capture your form entries, and create a real profile of you.

@MichaelPetrotta Yeah, it's not new, there are libraries you can download and plug into any site to do it now.

Michael Petrotta

of course, there's an important difference between what Google's doing, and what I understand youporn to be doing. Google documents what it does, discusses it, and uses "normal" APIs for its tracking. YP is exploiting a security weakness, retrieving information that browsers clearly don't want it to have.

Dan Grossman

2:47 AM

I can get behind that explanation

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Hello everyone. How are we all doing this evening?

The list of starred posts contains three starred "Oy" posts, a ":)" which was starred 3 times, and a joke about @RebeccaChernoff. Good to see that some things never change...

Rebecca Chernoff

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there are 4 oy's in the list.

even worse, heh.

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HAHA

I am on my laptop, only 3 oy s for such a small screen.

Dan Grossman

:wonders what phrases may be commonly spoken but have never appeared on the web:

Yi Jiang

Fucking stupid computer repairman, comes in to remove the computer for repair and turns off power to the wrong computer!!!

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2:55 AM

How are you @Rebecca?

@YiJiang That is pretty stupid!

I won't tell anyone else on StackOverflow that you needed a computer repair man. Don't worry.

;-)

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException For a laptop, geesh.

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@YiJiang LOL. Just razzing ya :-)

Waaaaait. He unplugged a desktop when he was supposed to be unpluggging a laptop???

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException Not too bad, working as always.

The Unhandled Exception

That's even worse than I thought

@TimStone Oh didn't notice you back there!

Tim Stone

I know, I was surprised I was silent for that long too.

Yi Jiang

2:58 AM

This can get very confusing very quickly

The Unhandled Exception

Likewise, another late night. I finished my new TTF Font admin system, but it's now 2 days behind schedule so I need to make up for lost time

Rebecca Chernoff

@TheUnhandledException I'm alright. Working on the keyboard shortcuts userscript again. Also, trying to teach other people to be me is weird.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff (:

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@YiJiang LOL

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Had to get to a good pause point in [NFS,Minecraft]

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2:59 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Oh, of course, silly me :-)

@RebeccaChernoff By this I assume you mean training replacement because you're moving up in the world?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff :p

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Because I am sure that there couldn't be another @RebeccaChernoff, you're far too unique :-)

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException Plus, no sane person would agree to taking on that much oy.

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Rebecca Chernoff

Heh.

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@TimStone I shouldn't come in here so tired from work. I am at a loss of a clever retort to that statement ;-)

Only thing that comes to mind to say in response is: Oy

Yi Jiang

3:02 AM

@TheUnhandledException Why doesn't (: come up?

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@YiJiang That would have been another good response. Alas, I was too tired, brain decided to take a nap

I'm so tired I just mistyped "Variable" not once, not twice, but three times

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException It's 'variable', no capital letters, you just mistyped that there again :P

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@YiJiang Actually it's GetVariable

Flash JavaScript function to extract a, um, what's it called...

Hey there @moot

mootinator

@TheUnhandledException Hi

I'm having one of those days.

Dan Grossman

Tim Stone

3:07 AM

@TheUnhandledException A thingadongdong

mootinator

I thought to myself, "Why is this clustered index scan so slow, it's using an index." /facepalm

The Unhandled Exception

I've had a lot of those days recently :-p

Dan Grossman

Refresh the chat and my image shows a different time

mootinator

Oh mah goodness

Dan Grossman

I am overly excited by permanent chat logs containing non-historical images

Yi Jiang

3:09 AM

Gasp!

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@DanGrossman Wow. So it does

mootinator

I noticed that when I was editing my rainbow pooping unicorn.

The Unhandled Exception

I thought you were making a statement about my being tired at 10:07 PM, LOL

Dan Grossman

38 mins ago, by Dan Grossman

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That scares me :-)

mootinator

3:11 AM

@DanGrossman lol

Yi Jiang

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The Unhandled Exception

@DanGrossman I was like, wow, that IP looks familiar...

mootinator

hmmm

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@YiJiang classic

Dan Grossman

there's an xkcd for everything

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Rebecca Chernoff

3:16 AM

@TimStone, do you think I should change the dashed border in the userscript?

mootinator

I want to link to a random captcha image, but can't think of an easy way to do that.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I don't mind it so much beyond the comments that I made already.

Dan Grossman

Now more scarier

(might need to hard refresh)

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@DanGrossman I am not in Burlington, NC! IP Geolocate FAIL

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman I don't live in (blank)!

Dan Grossman

3:20 AM

blame the 95% accuracy of GeoLite City

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone, what does yours say? (:

mootinator

I'm not in Saskatoon, SK, CA I'm 50 km away from there :P

So far 95% is 0 for 2.

Dan Grossman

the DB file is pretty old, let me update it real quick

Tim Stone

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HAHAHA

Rebecca Chernoff

3:22 AM

):

Yi Jiang

@TimStone So does mine :P

Tim Stone

Which is funny, because that IP actually gets a shockingly close geolocation elsewhere.

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@RebeccaChernoff I was expecting: "Your Location: @TimStone's house"

Dan Grossman

even worse, lol

mootinator

"Your Location: In front of a computer"

Tim Stone

3:22 AM

@YiJiang They'll never find us! ;)

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@mootinator maps.google.com/…

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Right, except as you said, it does screw with the dimensions. But it needs to be something that works across all sites. Unless there's an existing class I can utilize...

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Driving directions to Raleigh, NC
Suggested routes
1. 1 hour 6 mins
I-40 E

Dan Grossman

let's try again

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@DanGrossman oooooh, there you go :-)

Yi Jiang

3:24 AM

@DanGrossman CN, China I presume?

Dan Grossman

yes

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Now it actually gives a location closer to my home than Raleigh. A location which I don't post online, LOL

Tim Stone

Much better ;)

Dan Grossman

MaxMind updates at the beginning of the month, so that DB's only a few days old

Rebecca Chernoff

4 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone, what does yours say? (:

mootinator

3:25 AM

@DanGrossman It got worse for me, lol.

maps.google.com/…

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Maybe use the highlight colour, but as a border? Also, the sizing problem could be fixed :)

@RebeccaChernoff You know, you have access to all of the information that you need already right? :P

Dan Grossman

Eww, that's pretty far @mootinator

Tim Stone

Or does Stack Flair not log any requests? ;)

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LOL, he's right @Rebecca

But @Tim that would take real effort on her part ;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

But...but...that'd take effort.

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mootinator

3:26 AM

I think my ISP actually assigns a block of IPs to rural areas, so it is actually more accurate.

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException This is why it's still a mystery ;)

mootinator

Should be: you're in Rural Saskatchewan!

Yi Jiang

I don't know why, but I still think this is cute:

Rebecca Chernoff

Though, hrm.

Yi Jiang

Tupper's self-referential formula

Tupper's self-referential formula is a self-referential formula defined by Jeff Tupper that, when graphed in two dimensions, can visually reproduce the formula itself. It is used in various math and computer science courses as an exercise in graphing formulae. The formula was first published in his 2001 SIGGRAPH paper that discusses methods related to the [http://www.peda.com/grafeq/ GrafEq] formula-graphing program he developed. The formula is an inequality defined by: : {1\over 2} where \lfloor \cdot \rfloor denotes the floor function and mod is the modulo operation. Let k equal th...

Tim Stone

3:29 AM

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Q: Plotting 'Hi' in MATLAB

I wished to plot this 'Hi', which may be 'Hello World' graphical equivalent in MATLAB. Haven't been able to do it. Any suggestions are welcome.

matlab hello-world

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LOL

It looks like you're trying to plot "Hi" using MATLAB. You should totally drop that and use jQuery instead.

$('matlab').plot('hi')

Dan Grossman

google.com/search?q=jqueery

Tim Stone

Oh Clippy.. "It looks like you're trying to plot "Hi" using MATLAB. Would you like help using VBA to do it in Paint instead?"

Yi Jiang

jqueery.com :P

Dan Grossman

:tries to click a link on the page:

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3:36 AM

You'll need Rep points to chat in here @LuMing...

Dan Grossman

Unfortunately

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131

Q: How does "Reputation" work?

In the Stack Overflow trilogy websites, users may gain a certain level of Reputation. What does Reputation do? How can a user gain or lose Reputation? Return to FAQ Index See also: Are there any voting limits? Maximum amount of votes and reputation a user can gain or use in a day. ...

support faq reputation

Unless that's your sockpuppet account @TimStone

Dan Grossman

Since chat is so popular it'd never work without extra barriers to use

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The Gravitar is oddly similar...

Tim Stone

What'd I supposedly do now? :P

Ah, no, hahah.

mootinator

3:38 AM

Mmmm, good covering index.

>3 minutes suddenly becomes < 1 second

Tim Stone

Nice

Dan Grossman

until the active data set becomes larger than the system's RAM

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@DanGrossman Simple solution to that: dealram.com :-)

Dan Grossman

If only I could buy a stick of RAM and my EC2 instances would scale up...

mootinator

There's a limit to a system's RAM?

Dan Grossman

3:41 AM

My database is around 80GB right now, can I realistically put more than 64GB of RAM in a box?

mootinator

^_^

Anyhow, that particular index should have been there in the first place, imho.

Dan Grossman

<~ still deciding whether to move database from EC2 to RDS... costs quite a bit more but free point-in-time backups and instant failover

Where did that beep come from?!

mootinator

Bwahahahahahaa

Dan Grossman

oh, a chat room I am not in.

Yi Jiang

I want to shoot myself over WHATWG's refusal to define clearly the UI elements browsers need to implement for the new HTML5 input elements

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3:48 AM

@DanGrossman Beep!!!!!

Dan Grossman

oh god

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LOL

Yi Jiang

It allows Chrome to do stupid stuff like "supporting" the new types by just adding a f***ing stupid tumbler to their date elements

mootinator

@DanGrossman Ping?

Yi Jiang

@DanGrossman Beep!

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3:49 AM

@YiJiang UG

Yi Jiang

That means one additional layer of checks. I suspect Chrome's doing it just to look good in the HTML5 compatibility score thingadongdong

Dan Grossman

:waits for painfully slow load:

Yi Jiang

Ah, better

There's always Lio to cheer me up

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yawns

Well I am off to bed

Catch you guys later!

Dan Grossman

good night, cya

Tim Stone

4:00 AM

@TheUnhandledException G'night

Yi Jiang

Smell ya later

Yi Jiang

4:15 AM

Trippy: soundcloud.com/xihilisk/still-alive-from-portal-slowed-down-800

Jin

google.com/chromeos/pilot-program.html

Dan Grossman

Very surprising aws.typepad.com/aws/2010/12/…

Rebecca Chernoff

4:32 AM

@Jin Does it let you apply more than once? (:

mootinator

Cool.

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff no idea. someone sent me that link. i have no interest of applying

Yi Jiang

@Jin Meh... Google doesn't- Oh GOD they are using canvas for animation brill- oh, still using YouTube for videos. Meh...

Rebecca Chernoff

@Jin hehehe, it's a new toy, what's the harm? (;

Jin

@RebeccaChernoff if i have time for playing, i'd rather to be on the xbox :)

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Rebecca Chernoff

4:39 AM

Meh.

Tim Stone

@Jin +10!

But I put in a request for 3 of them anyway :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Haha, no "you already entered" message? (;

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff doesn't just play. She erm... erm... doesn't play. You know, doesn't play. Any sort of games. Erm...

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I used my CTO powers, and the form gave me that option. ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang Hey, I do have a PS2, and 2 games for it!

mootinator

4:42 AM

OYOYOYOYOYOY

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff They better be really good games. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Define really good heh.

Tim Stone

I prefer to be judgmental and have you tell us instead. ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

Heh.

hides

mootinator

So... Interesting comment.

Rebecca Chernoff

4:44 AM

DDR and, um....Mojo mabye? Got that one as a gift lol.

Tim Stone

Hmm. :P

Yi Jiang

Mojo!

Rebecca Chernoff

gamespot.com/ps2/puzzle/mojo/index.html

Tim Stone

Interesting, don't think I've heard of that game before.

mootinator

Dance, DANCE!

Rebecca Chernoff

4:57 AM

hehe oh right i have guitar hero too

Hmm, heh, Mojo case is empty. Whoops.

Tim Stone

shakes head

Rebecca Chernoff

As you can surely tell, I use the PS2 often.

Ok, so what do I need to do to make the page not jump around when a post is selected? #:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff And I thought I was the one with the gaming habit!

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff That's a funny smile you've got there, dear...

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Tim Stone

Compensate for the extra width of the border by adding an invisible border to all the other posts, or subtract from the non-existent padding on the selected post?

Rebecca Chernoff

5:08 AM

@YiJiang yawns

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff :#

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Hmm, are the backgrounds all white?

goes on a tour

could just pull the color anyway

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff They aren't, but you can pull them, yeah :)

Dan Grossman

Groupon.com rejects $5.5 billion offer from Google. Three days later, site goes down when someone posts a $40-in-free-Groupon-credit coupon on a bargain hunting site. Really?

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone I can and I did. (;

goes to see what else @TimStone whined about q:

Tim Stone

5:22 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Heheh, good stuff

Hey, I only posted two issues. I can always find more things to trivially bicker about if you want more. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

hehe

Hmm, timeout for the multi-key shortcuts?

Tim Stone

Aye

Moshe

@TylerChacha - Hey, have you thought of making Triton a Chrome app?

Tyler Chacha

A chrome app, as in?

Dan Grossman

chrome.google.com/webstore

Rebecca Chernoff

5:27 AM

> but if you were to accidentally hit g, then wander off for a bit and come back

Moshe

It would be a good way to market it.

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone clearly the answer is to not wander off. (:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I've chosen to accept this as an inevitability ;)

Moshe

I'm actually in favor of Chrome OS, another thing to add to my Resume. ;-)

Once I actually learn it, heh..

Tyler Chacha

I'm looking into it

Rebecca Chernoff

5:32 AM

@TimStone, what would you suggest for visible indication of shortcut-in-progress?

Tim Stone

I didn't really have a good idea for that yet, other than thinking it might work. I'll have to think on it.

Dan Grossman

It should work like a mouse. Double clicking means clicking twice in rapid succession, not clicking once then clicking again on the same spot at any future time.

Rebecca Chernoff

Yes, that's what we're talking about.

Tim Stone

Heh

George Marian

@RebeccaChernoff Two ideas spring to mind: 1) something on the mouse cursor 2) some indicator on the various items with shortcuts, ala pressing Alt for menu shortcuts

Tyler Chacha

5:48 AM

I definitely plan on offering it

I have it all set up

I just am waiting for the $5 fee

If you want I can add you as a test account though

Dan Grossman

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A: How to read older RSS feeds

A feed is a document. You can read what's in that document. You can't read what's not in that document, or what used to be in that document on a different date. Sorry, there is no C# function that reverses time.

Tyler Chacha

It has some nice potential. I definitely want to add Triton to the Web Store. Would make it much nicer to use

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