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5:10 PM
Hello Again
 
@PopularDemand interesting.
 
I love short school days
I get to go home really really early
 
nice
 
@Chacha102 Aren't you in the US?
 
@PopularDemand Yes
Today is a 1/2 day
 
5:14 PM
You don't get the whole day off?
Where I grew up, they closed schools all day so they could be used as polling places. Not sure about where I am now, come to think of it; I voted at a school today but there were lots of cars in the parking lot.
 
Quick. Someone post some oneboxes, images, etc!
I need to test something
@Chacha102 where's your muffincat?
 
yesterday, by Popular Demand
user image
If a onebox is good and an image is good, a onebox of an image must be ideal!
 
@PopularDemand it was, thanks!
Screencapture uploading
 
5:21 PM
XMPP Integration now supports HTML as well as images
 
@TheUnhandledException Stop making me feel unaccomplished!
 
@PopularDemand haha :-)
@PopularDemand You're accomplished because you're actually doing real work, not slacking off playing with the chat all day :-)
 
why am I a ducky?
 
@Chacha102 Because I'm connected using Adium, and it's icon is a duck, and I have not yet figured out how to get Gravitars sent over XMPP
the duck is the default icon
Time for lunch, bbl
 
5:38 PM
@TheUnhandledException Nice work btw!
 
html subset ?
 
@AidenBell nice!
 
Whoop!
 
better than mine.. I'll have to take another now that I shaved the beard off (it was for halloween)
 
5:50 PM
lol. My faith is partially restored in SO
 
Novembeard!
 
Is Novermbeard international?
 
It is now?
 
@TheUnhandledException woo!
here, have a star.
 
gasps in shock
there are 0 pinned messages in here?!
 
6:00 PM
@TheUnhandledException wait a second it doesn't really work :(
star retracted.
 
0
Q: Can we have preferred tags?

Thomas Charlie PigarelliI'd like to be able to select preferred tags so that I could easily choose the questions that really fit me. For example, I don't really care about Python or C, but I love PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS and JavaScript. So why not allow users to pick their favorite tags and bring all the related questions ...

 
?
 
@PopularDemand voted to close
@rchern have the last few messages made it to XMPP for you?
 
no
 
6:14 PM
oh, okay. I guess the onebox broke it @The
 
not sure. xmpp is broken also
 
it did work reliably last time I tried. Oh well.
I guess @TheUnhandledException had a case of @TheUnhandledException
</bad-pun-of-the-day>
 
though actually, my message in xmpp that didn't make it was after the onebox
 
- Tuesday November 02 2010, 18:59 -
Help!: Send "/help" or "/?" to get a list of available commands any time.
radp: here, have a star.
rchern: <i>gasps in shock</i>
rchern: there are 0 pinned messages in here?!
radp: @TheUnhandledException wait a second <i>it doesn't really work </i>
radp: star retracted.
↑ my backlog.
 
I just got back
hmmm
./classes/SOXMPP_Bridge.rb:23:in `initialize': undefined method `backtrace' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError)
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/xmpp4r/stream.rb:150:in `call'
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/xmpp4r/stream.rb:150:in `parser_end'
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/xmpp4r/stream.rb:147:in `initialize'
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/xmpp4r/stream.rb:147:in `new'
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/xmpp4r/stream.rb:147:in `parser_end'
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/xmpp4r/streamparser.rb:60:in `parse'
from /usr/lib/ruby/1.8/rexml/parsers/sax2parser.rb:142:in `call'
 
6:22 PM
ha! I was correct :)
did you mean to use start or maybe new?
 
@radp That was the exception handler, lol
I was trying to print the backtrace of the exception, but apparently that caused another exception, lol
Script has been restarted
hm
edit killed it
 
@TheUnhandledException darn you, I've already used up my bad pun of the day!
 
6:39 PM
OK. It's back now
And it shouldn't crash anymore (I don't think)
What was happening was, on edit, I was sending: <b>Edit: </b> #{the_message}
which would look like: <b>Edit: </b> something
which isn't valid XML
Go ahead and try again @radp
 
Okay, let's try that. Hm. Nothing. Nothing still. Still empty.
Oh well.
Spammity spammity spam.
 
in XMPP, 1 min ago, by The Unhandled Exception
ok, yeah, oneboxes break XMPP
I'll fix it after I vote @radp
 
wait a second
 
the oneboxes aren't valid XML
 
why do your messages and yours only make it through the XMPP interface?
 
6:50 PM
@radp waiting
@radp I see yours also
what client are you using @radp?
 
- Tuesday November 02 2010, 19:48 -
Help!: Send "/help" or "/?" to get a list of available commands any time.
- TheUnhandledException has joined the room
The Unhandled Exception: <div class="onebox ob-message"><a class="roomname" href="/transcript/message/261636#261636">in XMPP, <span title="2010-11-02 18:48:36Z">1 min ago</span></a>, by <span class="user-name">The Unhandled Exception</span> <br/><div class="quote">ok, yeah, oneboxes break XMPP</div></div>
The Unhandled Exception: I'll fix it after I vote @radp
Empathy.
 
maybe it's because your nickname is the same as your SO name...
 
test.
 
hm. something just broke, lol
adding HTML was a bad idea, lol
 
:/
 
6:54 PM
good idea, but will take some finesse...
btw - awesome site: clientsfromhell.net
 
@Fosco yes, well said
 
> "I like the music, but it needs to be more pink. Can you make it sound more pink?"
 
OK, shutting down XMPP for now. Will fix it when I return
 
Later.
 
6:57 PM
> "I want a web site that will appeal to the Amish people."
 
That site would be hilarious... if it weren't true.
 
yeah, it makes me f*ng angry..
In this day and age, ignorance to technology should be punishable by death... or institution.
 
7:19 PM
> Mom! I will clean the kitchen in a minute! I am on the phone with my web developer.
 
@Fosco What's exactly wrong there?
 
@radp Amish people shun technology altogether.
 
@Fosco That's an oversimplification.
 
@PopularDemand Feel free to elaborate.
 
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A: PDO::ATTR_AUTOCOMMIT ignores non-transactional INSERT/UPDATE

Wrikken $db = new PDO('mysql:dbname=test'); $db->setAttribute(PDO::ATTR_AUTOCOMMIT,0); var_dump($db->query('SELECT @@autocommit')->fetchAll()); //OK $db->query("INSERT INTO foo (bar) VALUES ('a');"); $db->query("COMMIT;");//do by SQL rather then by interface / PDO-metho...

Unbelievable.
tuts where's @TimStone gone when I want to point at broken PHP APIs?
 
7:24 PM
Let's say a job listing requirement says you must live somewhere or are willing to relocate. Let's also say you're not actively looking for a job and aren't sure if you'd relocate for one. Is it bad form to apply? |:
 
@rchern nope, not at all.
 
@rchern That's not the dictionary definition of "willing to relocate" :)
 
@rchern - Go for it
If it is awesome, you might be persuaded.
 
The various Amish (, ) (Pennsylvania Dutch: Amisch, German: Amische) or Amish Mennonite church fellowships are Christian religious denominations that form a very traditional subgrouping of Mennonite churches. The Amish are known for simple living, plain dress, and reluctance to adopt modern convenience. The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann. Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish. These followers were originally from three main places: the German-speaking parts of Switzerla...
> The Older Order Amish are known for their avoidance of certain modern technologies. Amish do not view technology as evil, and individuals may petition for acceptance of a particular technology in the local community.
 
Hrm
 
7:26 PM
@PopularDemand ...like the telephone. One per community. Emergencies only. (source: that article. not so sure about the "one per community" bit.)
@rchern Unless they want to run the interview on site, you have nothing to lose :)
if they do, all the better I guess?
 
@radp - One telephone?!?! Where are their principles!?
 
Just wasn't sure if it'd be misleading if the opportunity did go somewhere but then I decided I don't want to relocate.
 
@rchern Nowhere it is written that you must accept the offer if they're interested in hiring you.
 
^^ yeah, that.
 
No, of course not.
 
7:28 PM
@rchern - Think about this: Does the company want to see
a) More awesome people, but with variable motivations
b) less awesome people
 
Come work at Stack Overflow! http://bit.ly/coLjrT #jobs #nyc Looking for good skills in #csharp #asp #sql #mvc
 
c) more people who can pass the fizzbuzz test
 
@radp It's my understanding that the Amish are not one large group; there are many subcommunities, each of which has different levels of strictness regarding how much to avoid modern technology.
 
@PiersMyers too bad I don't know asp.net mvc better (;
 
@PopularDemand - What if there was ... like an iPhone ... but ... like ... it had a balsa wood case?
 
7:30 PM
hah i might even apply for that.
 
erm, doesn't "mvc" stand merely for "Model View Controller"?
 
@radp Multivariable calculus.
 
@radp yep, you know enough
 
@PopularDemand megavoltage circus.
 
@AidenBell "Some New Order Amish will use cellphones and pagers"
 
7:31 PM
s/{csharp, asp, mv}/{C,Python,Linux,PHP, Erlang}/ and i'm in
@PopularDemand - "new order" more like "whatever"
lol, im joking of course
 
:s/#csharp #asp #sql #mvc/#slacking #procrastination #chatting #spamhammorage #fail/g
 
I think I would fail miserably during a SO interview haha
 
@radp - Nice VI edit
 
@rchern I manage to know absolutely none of the technologies listed :)
 
@rchern Why, because they wouldn't be able to stop giving you new beta passwords for long enough to actually interview you?
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7:32 PM
LOL
 
@rchern - would go:
Jeff: So, what would you bring to SO?
rchern: Whatever Jeff, you suck. You know the job is mine ... im, you know, pragmatic and shit
Jeff: You're hired.
 
rchern: You realize I'm rchern right? The rchern
rchern: Let me prove it: (:
 
rofl
 
(that part might be difficult irl)
Come to think of it, using my real name on here probably guarantees I can never work for SO
 
Just think of it
 
7:34 PM
"Wait a minute...that guy's name sounds familiar. Somebody check MSO"
 
:)
 
"...yeah, we're not hiring him. Ever"
 
@MichaelMrozek Psh, like any of us believe that's your real name.
 
Backwards smilies... in my Stack Overflow.
 
@radp, what a beautiful vision.
 
7:35 PM
@MichaelMrozek - at least that Jeff bashing blog "Coding Bullshit" is under your anonymous alias
 
"Welcome New User! (:"
 
I don't know what the real Michael Mrozek did to deserve this treatment, though. I only hope he's not a software person.
 
"Congrats! You have gained the Backwards Smilies privilege! q:"
"We're quite not sure if you're a human or just backwards ):"
 
Note that this has the same issue as the other job listing I was emailed.
> Live in New York City area or are willing to relocate here
 
Does relocating in spirit count?
(my spirit talks on Skype)
 
7:37 PM
What if my Rovio is willing to relocate? (;
Rovio!
 
I'm not sure I'm willing to work in the same office as the @balpha-controlled rovio
 
):
 
> “That photograph looks too unrealistic, can you add more reality?”
 
lmao
 
@MichaelMrozek haha
 
7:40 PM
@MichaelMrozek yeah, me neither
 
Anyone else notice the suspect draping of a secret area?
 
@rchern @AidenBell I hadn't written a single line of C# in my life before SO hired me. Just saying...
 
@balpha - How much is tickets to NYC from Manchester UK?
:P
 
@balpha And now they're explicitly stating that they want C# expertise. Coincidence?
 
I really want to learn C#, but lack the motivation to force myself
 
7:42 PM
@AidenBell depends on the dollar's worth :)
 
@balpha, doesn't change the fact that I suck at interviewing.
@PopularDemand clearly they've learned their lesson.
 
@PopularDemand The job posting originally said "we don't want another balpha", but they took it out
 
@AidenBell actually, all the happening is now going on on the other side of the foil
 
@MichaelMrozek Yeah, that eats up a lot of characters.
 
they're still doing construction in the office
 
7:43 PM
Rovio!
dammit ):
 
@rchern If you worked for SO you would be able to Rovio! all day long
 
@balpha - Hypothetically, If I lived outside the head office in a cardboard box in my new SO t-shirt, would that increase my chances of successful application?
 
sold!
sends in application
hehehe
 
@AidenBell Who needs a cardboard box? The SO t-shirt will protect you.
 
@rchern You just need some confidence... and why shouldn't you have some? You do nice work!
 
7:45 PM
also, there's $.cardboardbox()
 
@balpha Mmm, bacon.
 
@balpha syntax error. $.cardboardBox()
 
@PopularDemand I need something to write "Sort-of smart, gets things done ... if it isn't boring" on
That's the slogan yes?
 
@AidenBell So, you want a copy of one of Joel's books?
 
Here's my promise to the world: If @rchern gets hired, our internal chat room gets a StackExchange™ ForwardSmile DirectionCorrector™
 
7:47 PM
Ya know, a couple of days ago, I'd have said I'm absolutely not looking for a job. Since then I've had someone email me a job listing and also am half tempted to reply to the SO listing.
 
@PopularDemand - Do they make good kindling for heating beans up on the "sidewalk" whilst waiting for my interview?
 
@balpha ):
 
@balpha antistar, the whole internet needs one!
Activation via egg is acceptable, though.
I suggest "(:" as a trigger.
 
We need to make a bot that stars all posts, and then unstars the ones you tell it to
 
wait. a forwardsmile directioncorrector? so, correcting the silly smilies y'all think are forward? Agreed @balpha, we need that!
 
7:51 PM
$(".user-140548 .content").css("-webkit-transform", "rotate(180deg)");
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@balpha That is spectacular
(for those too lazy to try it)
 
bah ):
 
> "Can you re-upload the photos on my site? I think they are fading from so many people clicking on them."
 
better yet: $(".user-140548 .content").css({"-webkit-transform": "rotate(180deg)", "text-align": "right", "width": "80%"});
 
You need to figure out a one-liner that just rotates the smileys
 
7:56 PM
note to Jeff, balpha needs more work |:
 
$(".user-140548 .content").text("I agree with @MichaelMrozek!");
 
you wish |:
 
On second thought:
$(".content").text("I agree with @MichaelMrozek!");
 
that'd be a pretty boring chat
 
seriously though, re the language thing again:
> We work with C#, ASP.NET MVC and Microsoft SQL Server, and an affinity with these would be nice, but we know that great developers can learn these things on the job.
that's from the more-than-140-chars version of the job listing
(btw., physics.stackexchange.com is in private beta now -- in case any of you have commited)
 
8:01 PM
It isn't the languages I'd worry about. It's the interview. I've never done an interview for a serious programming job. Or an interview done well at least.
FizzBuzz scares me (;
 
do you really think they give you fizzbuzz in a StackOverflow interview? :)
 
I've never sunk to the level of asking anyone FizzBuzz in an interview :). I ask almost as easy questions though, and get depressing results
 
any programming (;
 
StackOverflow gives you BuzzFizzDongDong
3
 
> "We need a 4-color, 1 sheet picture menu. PICTURES ONLY, NO WORDS. It’s for the blind and hearing impaired."
 
8:03 PM
haha
shall ponder
 
@balpha «Print the number. If the number is a divisor of 3, however, print "Fizz" instead. If the number is a divisor of 5, print "Buzz" instead. If the number is a divisor or both, print "FizzBuzz". Now deface thingadongdong.com and show the output there once you passed it through Unicornify3D.»
 
This is still my favorite insight into SO bug-fixing:
2
A: Member for 1 year, 12 months?

wafflesif (months > 11) months = 11; Fixed in dev, will be deployed today or tomorrow. The bug was happening cause we are assuming, somewhat incorrectly, that a year is 365 days; and a month, somewhat incorrectly, is 30 days. We will no longer display weird 1 year and 12 months for the last five ...

 
OK, I have returned from doing my civic duty.
As a reminder to all American citizens: If you haven't yet, go vote today!
 
@MichaelMrozek nice
 
I'd be scared to get asked FizzBuzz in an interview. "Do they actually want the easy answer? Is this a trick question? What're they really testing?"
 
8:08 PM
In other news, Anon posting on MSO is disabled. I wasn't aware.
@PopularDemand ...and will my loop actually go from 1 to 100 and not from 0 to 100 or 1 to 101?
 
@PopularDemand The all-time best FizzBuzz answer was the guy who figured out what he could seed the random number generator with such that {0: 'Fizz', 1: 'Buzz', 2: 'FizzBuzz', 3: n}[randInt(0, 3)] worked for the first 100 numbers
 
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Q: Unregistered user description incorrect on Meta

Popular DemandUnregistered users who ask questions on Stack Overflow are presented with a form which requires them to provide either an OpenID or both a name and an e-mail address. When neither is provided, the following message is displayed: Oops! Your question couldn't be submitted because: - name an...

 
Random trivia: In the 3274 (as of now) commit messages to the chat, the word "fix" appears 249 times
 
heh
 
wow
that's not trivia, but it is a fact.
 
8:11 PM
how many times does "(:" appear?
 
0
although ":)" appears four times
 
that is a disgrace.
 
Does anyone show up by name?
 
Am I correct, is this invalid XML?
 
here's the commit message to changeset 7b8f4f
 
8:13 PM
As in, is @rchern specifically blamed for anything?
 
<div class="ob-post-title">Q: <a style="color: #3D3D3D;" href="http://meta.stacko
verflow.com/questions/57316/offer-an-xmpp-method-for-chat">Offer an XMPP method for chat</a></div>
 
> html-encode question title in onebox -- wanna know why? Say "http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2297888" in the previous revision :)
 
that should be valid.
 
@MichaelMrozek <_<
 
@balpha That was probably quite spectacular. @rchern Add the ability to <marquee> any message to your userscript
 
8:14 PM
@Fosco isn't this part specifically invalid: >Q: <a
Doesn't it have to be like: <div><span>Q: </span><a ...
 
@MichaelMrozek, fork away!
 
i thought a div could have content, but ok.. that makes sense too.. put the Q in a span.
 
@Fosco Easier said than done...
 
$(".content").wrap("<marquee/>");
This is way better than normal chat
 
Maybe it's time for a full fledged question
 
8:16 PM
ROFL
 
@balpha your chat oneboxes are not valid XHTML, it makes my XMPP server very sad
 
this is awesome
 
@rchern what am I missing? :-)
 
1 min ago, by Michael Mrozek
$(".content").wrap("<marquee/>");
 
@rchern You actually ran that? You're a crazy woman! ;-)
 
8:18 PM
haha
sure, why not?
 
@rchern because it may induce seizures!
 
it'd be better if there was a random delay given to each marquee
rofl @ your editing
 
@rchern ...what editing? ;-)
 
@rchern Yeah, but they start to get out of sync after a while
 
@TheUnhandledException you can't fool me!
 
8:20 PM
Oh, I refreshed the page right before making that clip. Well, they do eventually, I promise :)
 
@rchern LOL. You're too smart for your own good (-:
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A: How to convert HTML to XHTML?

PrakashConvert from HTML to XML with HTML Tidy Downloadable Binaries JRoppert, For your need, i guess you might want to look at the Sources c:\temp>tidy -help tidy [option...] [file...] [option...] [file...] Utility to clean up and pretty print HTML/XHTML/XML see http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ Opti...

There is hope. tidy can be installed on this server
 
Valid XHTML is like autotune. You'd think it makes stuff better, but if you can't sing in the first place, all bets are off anyway
 
@balpha I hate XHTML
 
seriously?
you went with autotune as your comparison?
 
but since XMPP messages are XML, when I simply take the onebox HTML and wrap it in an XMPP message, since it's not valid XML, the server chokes on it
oddly enough, it completely disconnects my component!
 
8:24 PM
@balpha I saw a PBS show once that disproved this.
 
I would ahve thought it would just ignore that stanza, but no, it closes the stream. "Sorry, you lose"
 
status-its-a-feature
 
:D
$(".content").addClass('onebox ob-mod-tag');
 
@TheUnhandledException why? what's wrong with running t--
OH MY GOD DRAGONS
 
$rchern I'm adding /rockmyworld to the script that chooses one of these things randomly to apply to each message
 
8:32 PM
@radp Hey I like dragons!
@MichaelMrozek hahaha
 
(:
 
Hello
 
@Chacha102 Hey there, how goes?
 
Good
 
Hey @Zypher, how are you today?
 
8:43 PM
Howdy ... dragging ... cleaning up DNS zone files good times btw ... I was given fizbuz in my interview ;)
 
LOL
Cleaning up zone files, ug, not fun
 
no but worth the effort in the end
 
this is true
 
god someone needs to do something about this chat thing eating up memory in firefox
 
8:45 PM
@radp that was so great
 
@Zypher, you mean like changing the firefox shortcut to load another browser? (;
2
 
@Zypher I already did: I switched to Chrome for chat ;-)
 
I wonder if @balpha and @marc get any cut of the additional revenue from Google.
Sorry, "Marc" is too Italian for me to remember.
 
i should just track down the x64 build of FF ... then run away memeory stops being a problem
 
@Zypher When XMPP is done, that should help also :-)
 
8:47 PM
$(".content").each(function() {
    $(this).replaceWith($("<img/>").attr("src", "http://unicornify.appspot.com/avatar/" + hex_md5($(this).text()) + "?s=128"));
});
user image
2
 
@MichaelMrozek DO WANT!
 
goddamnit @MichaelMrozek I'm trying to watch a TAS! Stop distracting me with awesomeness.
 
HAHAHAHA
 
@MichaelMrozek Why is my unicorn doing a gay prancie dance?
 
rofl
waits for the pull request
 
8:49 PM
@TheUnhandledException because he's happy
 
He's happy that he gets a rainbow! LOL
 
@TheUnhandledException He's happy that he farted a rainbow! FIFY
(rchern's pretty happy too.)
 
(;
 
@radp Because she has two unicorn stars
 
wait a moment, I don't give out unicorn stars.
I'd have to be an unicorn in the first place.
 
8:51 PM
@balpha, was there a recent change to the nick completer?
 
It's the currency of the cornify land ya know
 
@rchern I don't think so
 
):
 
in Chat feedback, 7 hours ago, by Michael Mrozek
status-rchern-fails
 
I'm confused about why Yi doesn't come up. Not here now, but has been recently enough I'd think.
 
8:52 PM
@rchern @YiJiang comes up for me
 
the client knows about all the names it has seen
 
and I have been running the client for many days
 
so @TheUnhandledException probably has had his browser open for longer than @rchern
 
@rchern also probably refreshed after the <marquee> insanity
 
@balpha Yes. Since Monday if not Saturday
 
8:54 PM
and yes, that's somewhat of a memory leak. but if you leave your browser open for a week, you have bigger problems :)
 
↑ my favourite part so far (link goes to a specific point)
 
lots of /switch and yeah I guess I did f5. But still ):
 
Oh, I didn't realize what TAS stood for until now. Now I'm going to end up watching all of these
 
Yoshi wanted a race. Mario didn't have time for that crap.
 
feature request #3382874, make nick completion work better (;
 
8:57 PM
It's punishment for leaving
status-you-must-stay-forever
 
I do...I just /switch, heh.
 
@MichaelMrozek They're great because they show you all that there is to be done in the game, normally. Saves you the effort of playing them.
So many classics. So little time.
 

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