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Jin

5:03 PM

@radp looks like it could be from notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc

You know I've been busy when there are 10+ unread items in my The Daily What RSS feed..

rchern

5:26 PM

I'm constantly behind on rss feeds.

drachenstern

I gave up on rss feeds and merely try to stay current on a few podcasts

Yi Jiang

It never goes above 20

Tim Stone

I'm behind on adding RSS feeds to Thunderbird in the first place so that I can be behind on the RSS feed updates.

Yi Jiang

@rchern I have OCD on my Google Reader unread count

I never add high traffic feeds, like, say, BBC News or Ars

drachenstern

@YiJiang that's why I don't have an RSS feed reader on my iPhone ... the updates have to all be cleared out in my head!

Jin

5:29 PM

@yi i have about 300 feeds. but i only read maybe 10-15 of them

drachenstern

I constantly clear my red circles

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Heh, I'm very conflicted about push notifications.

On the one hand, I want to know about updates.

Yi Jiang

Hehe... high latency connection means incorrectly ordered messages

Tim Stone

On the other, I don't want those damn dots to be there.

Yi Jiang

That "never above 20" was posted after my reply to @rchern

drachenstern

5:31 PM

the only ones I like pushing are facebook (selectively), email, and my grocery list

Tim Stone

I accidentally left myself logged into IM on my phone once and then later saw that there were 67 push notifications, half of them being stuff that I had said, but on my computer.

drachenstern

I hate when games want to push. I'm like "quit talking to a GD server and give me my GAMES already, kthxbai"

@TimStone I constantly turn off background programs

almost as obsessively as I clear notification dots

so I know what you mean

Yi Jiang

I actually add high traffic feeds to a RSS desktop widget instead

Tim Stone

Yeah, I need to start doing that. That, and I've hardly been using my phone, so I haven't given it the configuration it deserves.

Yi Jiang

Basically a ticker that doesn't do anything except update every five min and display a link

I glance at it once in a while and that's it - keeps me updated and keeps clutter out of greader

rchern

5:34 PM

I have a label/filter in GMail for emails that really are things I'd like in an rss feed.

There are currently 1566 unread items in it.

|:

Yi Jiang

@rchern Nice... :P Would totally kill my OCD if that was me

rchern

Yeah, I don't like it that way, heh.

Jin

tempted to "mark all as read"

Tim Stone

I've tried to start dismissing things that I say that I'd like to do under the premise that I'll never do them.

Then maybe once I actually get stuff done I'll have another go at them, heh.

rchern

I'm a very bad techie. So many rss feeds, podcasts, blogs to read. I really don't read/listen to any regularly. ):

drachenstern

5:39 PM

@TimStone I have one gmail that I keep sending to myself that I put links into for that

@rchern trim and cut, get down to five you like

screw the rest ... er, something. Anyways, I would love to listen to like 50 a week, but .. yeah

Popular Demand

@drachenstern I just use a draft for this.

Even sending myself those mails would offend my sense of clutter.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand I can always find it this way and it doesn't clutter my drafts :|

rchern

Sounds like maybe something for Instapaper?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern I only listen to one tech podcast, the rest are all non-tech related :P

drachenstern

@rchern but then I would have to open yet another site on a regular basis. I almost always have gmail open

rchern

5:41 PM

I don't necessarily care about the email rss label. A lot of it is stuff I should just unsub from.

Yi Jiang

It actually sound like some of you might need this: feedafever.com

drachenstern

@YiJiang mine are tech related, but not necessarily about focused tech. HTG, WW, and TWIT on twit.tv

rchern

I've never used GReader.

I wouldn't know what to add to it. (;

Popular Demand

@rchern Instapaper doesn't look like I can use it for general note-leaving.

rchern

@PopularDemand, no, it's for saving links.

drachenstern

5:41 PM

@YiJiang that's what twitter is for

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Hehe... pretty sure no

Popular Demand

@rchern Yeah, I don't see the advantage over a draft, then. It's worse, if anything. Unless it adds value in some other way?

rchern

Hmm.

Lessee.

opens up GReader and stares blankly.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Shouldn't you be using something like delicious for that then?

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand It was necessary to promote a web app for obvious reasons. :P

Yi Jiang

5:43 PM

@rchern Go subscribe to something. Something that you'll actually read

rchern

What should I read? (;

Popular Demand

@TimStone Gasp! I didn't see the hidden agenda until you said that!

rchern

@PopularDemand, I wasn't necessarily sure what your use case was. Instapaper would not do what you seem to want.

Tim Stone

Hah ;)

Yi Jiang

My rules are that if it's something whose feed where you'll read all of the posts it should go to greader

Tim Stone

5:44 PM

@rchern Interesting stuff :P

I think therein lies the problem.

Yi Jiang

@rchern xkcd, for starters. ALA should be next. I actually have a subscription to the Mozilla blog so you might want to Chrome blog

Tim Stone

There's so much interesting stuff out there, but not necessarily useful-to-me kind of stuff.

And it's hard to know what's what without investing the time to check.

And who has that time? :P

drachenstern

@TimStone twitter does of course

but you can't just obsessively follow everyone

I'm still trimming DOWN from ~140 follows

rchern

I've never been an RSS person. Which seems silly. Just never gotten into it. I mean, I look at xkcd every once in a while. shrugs

goes off to find xkcd rss

Tim Stone

In the case of xkcd, I know it's MWF, so I visit...MWF.

rchern

5:46 PM

next! (;

Popular Demand

Okay, I was about to go with a derisive "you people and your tech" comment, but... not obsessively following xkcd? For shame!

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Nah, it's MWF 1pm GMT+8 :P

Tim Stone

That's what you get for being in the future.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Grab ALA, then... say, the Chrome blog

rchern

What's ALA?

I feel so untechie ):

Yi Jiang

5:48 PM

@rchern A List Apart, not tech but web design and development

rchern

kk, looks good. I added. (:

Yi Jiang

@rchern Think about what you read - the stuff you check everyday. Blogs whose articles you don't want to miss

rchern

I don't really have that stuff. #:

I told you, I'm a bad techie.

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Tim Stone

@rchern ....You did not just say that.

Fosco

@rchern You're too modest... but I starred that anyway.

Tim Stone

5:52 PM

shakes head

Yi Jiang

@rchern Try Indexed

rchern

@Fosco No. Totally serious. ):

Yi Jiang

I also used to get The Superest in my feed when it was active

Fosco

@rchern Stackflair says otherwise.. the progression I watched as it advanced was quite impressive. Give yourself some credit.

Yi Jiang

I still have Bearskinrug. Always a delight to get one of those in the feed

rchern

5:54 PM

@YiJiang seems cool. added!

Yi Jiang

Going through my subscriptions it's clear that my preferences are far too much into the Web Dev/Design side

rchern

@Fosco I'm a decent programmer. But following blogs/podcasts/rss? I need saving! q:

Tim Stone

I'm worried that I'm not a decent programmer, which is why I haven't shown you my code. :P

Yi Jiang

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Q: Can you recommend some good programming blogs?

Are there any good programming blogs, both for general programming and programming in .NET languages?

StackExchange to the rescue!

rchern

Pfft. The navigation code was awesome.

Fosco

5:58 PM

@rchern Is that what this is about?... are we measuring techieness by the size of our RSS feeds?.. fuck that. One has nothing to do with the other :)

Popular Demand

@TimStone To the questions tab of your SO profile!

rchern

@Fosco hehehe

Tim Stone

@rchern Heh, thanks. But that was just a small piece of code, I'm a little more wary about my overall design schemes. :P

@PopularDemand I answer very few Java questions, partially for this reason ;)

The mod_rewrite this is more of an angry obsession...

Yi Jiang

Oh, and Jason Santa Maria's blog is usually very quiet, but come the month of October and a series of fantastic articles will be published

Candygrams, they're called. Very well written and each article is individually designed

rchern

In all seriousness though, I do think listening/reading to other programmers/developers/whatever is very worthwhile. I've just been missing out. And meaning to fix that, for forever.

And since I have the day off but feel sick and am just lounging around, seems like a decent time to fix it. (;

Yi Jiang

6:03 PM

@rchern quirksblog - quirksmode.org/blog

Oh, and thebolditalic.com for those who live in San Fran

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand ...And now I realized that I almost definitely read that incorrectly, whoops. I haven't had any questions to ask on SO because SO already has answers for any questions I've had. :P

Yi Jiang

subtraction.com - Khoi Vinh is fantastic

drachenstern

see, this is why I don't have a list of blogs in a blogreader

I can barely keep up with work, I've just added daily chat, now I'm gonna have feeds?

pffft

Popular Demand

6:22 PM

Someone managed to post a Friday question, somehow!

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Q: Please Add Means of Converting Reputation to Actual Beer

When I help someone solve a programming problem, they often express their gratitude for the solution (yay!). Generally, this takes the form of one of the following: "Think you!" Sometimes, people offer to hire me for further work. (Generally, stay away from these folks; they've been hiding thei...

feature-request fun always-friday-in-iceland

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Oddly, it looks like the synonym that makes it [fun] is still in place, so this is quite a... thing.

I had to stop myself from editing it at the last second for fear of destroying the friday tag.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Yeah... how did he do that?

spoulson

@PopularDemand We'd need a symbiotic relationship with homebrewing.SE.

rchern

Yi Jiang

It's the lone friday question now

rchern

2 xkcd feeds?

Popular Demand

6:27 PM

@rchern Always have a backup of the important stuff!

Yi Jiang

@rchern The xkcd comic and the xkcd blog

Popular Demand

First rule of computing!

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drachenstern

@PopularDemand isn't that also like the first rule of the boyscouts?

rchern

Hmm. I think I'll just stick with the comic.

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Are you thinking of "Be prepared"? I guess it's pretty close. They're not mutually exclusive.

Tim Stone

6:29 PM

Note to self: Document the project design next time so that when people ask questions, there are pretty diagrams to show them that illustrate the point.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand yes I knew it wasn't their motto. I meant the not mutually exclusive part you allude to.

Popular Demand

@TimStone Note to self: Document the project design next time so that when people ask questions, there are shiny diagrams to show them to distract them while I fix it and look like a hero (if easy) or escape (all other cases).

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Tim Stone

I like yours better. :P

drachenstern

@TimStone should be:

Note to self: Invent time machine. Travel back in time to before I start this project. Remind self to document the project design so that when people ask questions, there are pretty diagrams to show them that illustrate the point.

Tim Stone

Although if anything's broken here it must be my ability to explain things, because I'm definitely going over something that I covered yesterday.

Zypher

6:32 PM

@PopularDemand the first rule of computing ... is to not talk about computing!

Popular Demand

@Zypher I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken us for the sort of people who go to clubs.

Tim Stone

@Zypher I'm disappointed that mod_rewrite answers are equally wrong on SF as they are on SO :P

Zypher

@Tim don't get me started on mod_rewrite ... grumbles about too many of those god damn things on SF

Tim Stone

I think there are three times as many on SO, heh. It's my favourite topic. It's also the topic that people take zero effort to look for the already-existing answer for before asking their question.

Zypher

sigh it's just f8*&%&*^$ regex

rchern

6:37 PM

regex is fun!

Tim Stone

People fail to understand the mechanics of it, I guess, and try to do very wrong things. Then other people come along and try to move the questions to SF, and make me angry.

Of course, that's not as bad as mod_rewrite questions being only tagged [.htaccess]

I can't even write the tag wiki for that tag, because it doesn't make any sense.

fumes

OK, I'm good. What's everyone else up to? :P

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Q: .htaccess mod-rewrite directive to ignore a certain URL...i.e. do not redirect...

This is in our current .htaccess file... I want have a path: www.mycompany.com/special that I don't want redirected to 'site' How do I modify the contents below to ignore that? I've created a 'special' folder and there's an index.html file in that dir. # restrict indexing Options -Indexes ...

.htaccess mod-rewrite

Excuse me while I go bang my head through a wall.

drachenstern

trying to remember how to do obtuse things with updatepanels because other ajaxian methods are apparently too difficult to learn?

Tim Stone

Ah ha

rchern

is the rant over?

is it safe to come out now?

Zypher

GAHHH who brought up mod_rewrite! I'm turning all green

Moshe

6:47 PM

meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/70090/edit

rchern

@Zypher think of cute kitties, think happy thoughts

Moshe

Any thoughts on my suggestion?

meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/70090/edit

Yi Jiang

@Moshe The actual post, not the edit page.... .... ...

Moshe

oops

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Q: Rep for good edits?

I think users should be able to vote on edits to questions so that people can gain (or lose) rep for good edits to questions. Good edits can take time (especially on poorly phrased questions) and users should have an incentive to do so, aside from just having a better site. (The argument could b...

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I was wondering why it didn't generate the preview

@YiJiang - good call

Zypher

@rchern look atthe kehten ... he wants to play in the swamp

Moshe

6:50 PM

So, any thoughts?

I'm waiting to get flamed.

whistles

Zypher

@moshe entirely too much effort involved to decide if an edit was good or not

Moshe

@Zypher - not always.

Zypher

►

Moshe

It's part of modderating the site.

Zypher

Well to make a well informed decision you would have to read through the whole edit chain on a question with 1 or 2 edits, that's fine, on one with 5-10 edits it can get tedious

for example how do you knwo a rollback was a good edit

radp

6:53 PM

aww, I'm too late to compare GReader subs?

whatever

Moshe

@Zypher - True, but it should be left up to the discretion of the voter. If I see an edited question, I'm going to occasionally look at it. If I see the first question was unreadable and the edit made it an awesoe question, the editor deserves 4 rep for that.

@radp: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/70090/rep-for-good-edits

Zypher

also i can see alot of room for abuse when voting on edits

radp

@Moshe are you pointing to "closed by random 11 seconds ago"?

@Zypher To be honest it's a very bad sign IMHO when people refuse to edit questions because they are poor

If you edited them, they wouldn't be poor to begin with.

rchern

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Moshe

Ugh.

I <strikethrough>love</strikethrough> how Jeff provides a single rebuttal and refuses to respond after that.

George Marian

6:56 PM

@Moshe My mind's made-up, don't confuse me with the facts? ;)

Zypher

also you'll have people who get tons of up votes for a spelling and /or grammar correction which doesn't really work with he spirit of rep in either sense IMHO

Moshe

That's what the "describe your edit" is for.

although it could be abused too, but if it isn't people can get 1 rep for grammar or spelling.

3 for reconstructing a question.

rchern

refuses to respond? He's got several comments on his answer.

Moshe

@rchern - there, but often he ignores comments

rchern

I'm with Zypher on this one. I don't like the idea.

Moshe

6:58 PM

@rchern - what about an edit count for the mod elections?

Zypher

oh and "There's a badge for that"

Moshe

Some sort of way to track edits.

@Zypher - ok. Then I'm overruled on both counts.

Zypher

actually 2 editing badges now

rchern

What does editing have to do with mod elections?

Moshe

Nevermind.

@rchern - Good editing is a large part of moderating.

radp

6:59 PM

@rchern Note to self: idle around more in Webapps and consume the mod flag limit regularly.

Zypher

@Moshe hmm i don't know if i agree with that ... moderation should not be based off something every 3k user can do if they choose ... i mean you could use it as a site participation metric .. maybe

rchern

@Moshe I disagree. Strongly.

(for the reasons @Zypher stated)

Moshe

@Zypher, @rchern - Ok, fair enough.

What else is involved in modding

drachenstern

who decides who's a mod? I've never pursued finding that info

rchern

Hang on, I'll grab a blog post

Moshe

7:01 PM

waits for link to announcement of last mod elections

radp

The "moderation tools" are a list of questions and answers that need, well, editing, closing, deleting and undeleting.

Moshe

@rchern - beat me by a second.

rchern

Stack Overflow Blog: A Theory of Moderation

Posted by Jeff Atwood on May 17th, 2009

Since we’re about to add community moderators on both Stack Overflow and Server Fault, I need to document what it is, exactly, we expect moderators to do.

The short answer is, as little as possible!

We intended Stack Overflow and Server Fault to be mostly self-regulating, and by that I mean we amortize the overall moderation cost of the system across thousands of teeny-tiny slices of effort contributed by regular, everyday users.

That’s why, in the faq, we’ve always said that Stack Overflow is designed to be run by the community: …

Zypher

those are the 10k "Moderation Tools"

the diamond mod tools are a <strike>bit</strike> A LOT more

rchern

Ah yes, I'm referring to diamond mods, not 10K users.

drachenstern

7:02 PM

yeah same here

diamond mods

Moshe

ok thanks

radp

> We intended Stack Overflow and Server Fault to be mostly self-regulating, and by that I mean we amortize the overall moderation cost of the system across thousands of teeny-tiny slices of effort contributed by regular, everyday users.

Thus, the overall moderation cost is mainly editing, closing, reopening, deleting, undeleting. :)

drachenstern

so who gets to decide who is a diamond mod?

radp

Just because they're not diamond-only doesn't mean they're not moderation.

@drachenstern Elections.

rchern

@radp, true.

radp

7:05 PM

and given that SE sites have very few 2kers and 3kers...

(this is also why I'd proposed flags for editing)

Later, anyway.

rchern

Well, now that graduation isn't a hard 90 days that works a bit better.

Tim Stone

@rchern Yes, it's safe now :P

drachenstern

joygasm hg commit

wait, I missed something

mod is an election process, open to whom?

ok, note to self, go read faq

bbl

Tim Stone

Hahah

Michael Mrozek

@drachenstern I think it's changed every time there's been elections, so don't worry about it too much :)

drachenstern

7:08 PM

@MichaelMrozek so it's a living process then?

and it's open to folks 2k and up huh?

rchern

@TimStone Oh...what a relief...20 minutes ago?

Michael Mrozek

I suppose. We're told they're writing a custom election system for the SE site elections

Tim Stone

@rchern I went to take a shower, my bad. :P

drachenstern

so the meta.SO/faq tags only list this as the moderator thread: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/4565/… and it's only for "what's open to high end users"

@TimStone got better searchfu?

Michael Mrozek

We keep conflating diamond mods and pseudo-mods. That post is about pseudo-mods (10k users)

The elections are for diamond mods

Normally when people refer to "mods" they mean diamond mods

rchern

7:12 PM

"10K tools" or "tools for 10K users" are the common terms I've heard for non-diamonds

Michael Mrozek

Here's a link to the (I think) most recent SO election:

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Q: Nominations: New Stack Overflow Moderator

blog.stackoverflow: Stack Overflow 2010 Moderator Election Begins Based on the traffic volume, it's crazy that we have so few Stack Overflow community moderators relative to the site's size and traffic. Numbers in parens, below, are the 1 month visitors from Google Analytics: meta (74k) Jo...

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Tim Stone

@drachenstern Sorry, on phone explaining something new this time. :P

drachenstern

@TimStone no worries, normally you are fast on the trigger ;)

@MichaelMrozek I happened to already have that up, but hg needs my time briefly

also, I found some debug code I didn't remove :|

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Whoops, I hate when that happens.

drachenstern

and the shitty part is I can't test the rest of the code unless I have one of those lines, but I can't submit it with it there because nobody reads the build notes :p

Michael Mrozek

7:21 PM

I label all my debugging lines with //NO, and I have a commit hook that looks for that and rejects the commit; it's extremely useful

drachenstern

so it's gonna break in testing on someone's machine and work on the server

woot documented and commited, time to pull, merge, push

unless I'm the only active committer /facepalm

Tim Stone

After my eyes were opened to Mercurial, I'm so sad that we use Subversion. :(

drachenstern

@TimStone be like @LasseVKarlsen and try and get them to convert. Granted we're using Kiln so ... meh ... but really, Hg is so worth the hassle. Once you get people to understand how pull update commit push works ... took me like two months of fighting THAT battle.

George Marian

@TimStone I still haven't tried Mercurial, is it that good?

How does it compare to git?

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I have the benefit of being in charge of those kinds of things, but I have to invest in making the switch and then getting the people who use it up to speed, which might be more problematic. :/

drachenstern

7:29 PM

@TimStone how many people under?

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Hm, that's a good question. My experience with Git is limited, but I use hg-git for the userscripts we've been working on here and haven't had any problems, so it's close enough to make it compatible. I'm sure there's better sources for comparison though :)

@drachenstern Not too many, but I think that it's a foreign concept to them, so there might be some push back. I get annoyed when I have to do stupid things like check in part of what I'm working on so I can pull it on my laptop just so I can test only that part without having to create a branch on the server. :P

George Marian

@TimStone I really like git, though I don't really have much to compare it to, beside CVS.

drachenstern

@TimStone yeah that was what annoyed me too. To the point I got the boss to use the TFS trial. We then found out what a pisser TFS is. (2010 to boot)

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian I'm not sure if there's a compelling reason to pick up Mercurial if you're already satisfied with Git, but since I develop on Windows, Mercurial was the more friendly option for the environment. :P

@drachenstern Ah, hahah. I like Subversion better than whatever we used with Visual Studio, but Mercurial wins hands down. Being able to manage things locally and only expose people to the parts I want is just so much more sensible.

George Marian

@TimStone That's one possible reason, though I try to do my dev on linux. Gotta love VirtualBox. :)

Greg Hewgill

7:35 PM

the whole idea of local branches is one of the best things about dvcs

per-developer branches in subversion are crazy enough, I can't imaging managing topic branches

George Marian

Yah, that's one of my favorite things about git.

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian We try to maintain a consistent development environment for whatever reason and everyone uses Windows, heh. Otherwise I'd have switched over myself, but oh well.

@GregHewgill Yeah, definitely.

The Unhandled Exception

I saw a via XMPP a discussion on subversion and @GregHewgill so I figured I'd better pop my head in for a sec and say hi...

Tim Stone

I'm surprised that I lived without them for so long, heh. Switching is definitely high on my infrastructure priority, but at the moment there's a lot of code to lay down.

Hahah, 'ello again @TheUnhandledException :)

drachenstern

@TimStone hg for windows, git otherwise. that tends to be the breakdown. but you can use hg everywhere, and you could use git on windows if you like hoops.

The Unhandled Exception

7:39 PM

@TimStone Hey again Tim :-)

Greg Hewgill

I'm still using my irc gateway, with no enchancements since I originally got it working. I'm on to other projects mostly :)

drachenstern

@TimStone it wasn't till VSS got to the point of stopping productivity, and then again when TFS did it. Then we shopped around

The Unhandled Exception

@TimStone For what it's worth, you can expose subsets of an svn tree to certain people only

George Marian

@TimStone I was quite surprised when I worked in a LAMP shop which used Windows on the desktop. Many of us (if not most) used the shell, regardless.

The Unhandled Exception

@GregHewgill Sweet. I'm using my XMPP gateway (obviously) and trying to add to it as I have time, which this week has been never, lol

@Greg did you build write support?

Greg Hewgill

7:41 PM

write? like posting messages to the chat? sure.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Yeah. Originally I had tried to go the git route for the sake of the userscripts, but I ran into numerous problems there. Since hg-git worked fine for what I was doing, I stuck with Mercurial, heh. Before that I had been using Bazaar, but only because the web framework we use was using it. They've since switched to Git, so I got rid of that.

The Unhandled Exception

From the talk in here it sounds like if I want any help with the XMPP gateway I need to switch from svn to git....

@GregHewgill Sweet. That's next thing on my list for XMPP

Greg Hewgill

github is your friend

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException Yeah, my svn-fu isn't very strong either, so I just assume make the switch since I'm relatively comfortable with Mercurial now. :)

I spent far too long working by myself, heh. ;)

The Unhandled Exception

@GregHewgill Trac has been my friend for a long time. hard to give it up :-)

Greg Hewgill

7:43 PM

I've got my local workgroup at work using git among ourselves, thank goodness for the git-p4 gateway to perforce

The Unhandled Exception

@Greg one other question, does the irc gateway show who's in the room?

Greg Hewgill

no

The Unhandled Exception

Nor does XMPP (yet)

Greg Hewgill

it could, but I don't usually care about that :)

The Unhandled Exception

It's planned, but not implemented yet.

I have a class defined for users in the SO chat, and events for when users enter and leave, but for now they're unused

I looked briefly at your code @Greg but in the end wrote my mostly from scratch

I know almost no python :-)

Greg Hewgill

7:46 PM

heh, that's fair

The Unhandled Exception

That's the other thing, if I seriously expect help with XMPP I'd better learn python and switch the code from ruby, lol

Since not even the people in the Ruby room on SO have shown any interest in helping! =o

rchern

doesn't know python any more than she knows ruby (;

Tim Stone

Chat and XMPP aren't cool enough for the kids who use Ruby (no offense to your knowledge of Ruby) :P

radp

@TheUnhandledException import ruby :P

The Unhandled Exception

@TimStone HAHA. I love those. And, no offense taken, my knowledge of Ruby is only slightly better than my knowledge of python ;-)

@radp Ah HA! I forgot! I guess that means that in python, SO Xhat XMPP integration would be as easy as:

import stackoverflow;
import chat;
import xmpp;

drachenstern

7:51 PM

I need help!

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException The previous one about Mongo DB is good too. :P

drachenstern

hardware question (monitors)

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009179

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@TimStone I love that one

radp

@TheUnhandledException I'd import antigravity just to be sure.

drachenstern

IT guy suggested that one as a reasonable purchase, recommendations for against in that rough price range?

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7:52 PM

@radp I was going to say, don't import ant, they'll eat all your food...

@drachenstern You may have better luck in SU chat...

drachenstern

yarr, but I don't got no 20 points rep on SU I don't think :p

Greg Hewgill

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Tim Stone

@drachenstern I've bought like six of these Acer monitors, and they weren't too bad. The speakers are probably crap in the one that you linked, but I imagine that you don't plan on using them anyway.

drachenstern

noop, I plan on using my Bose

;)

rchern

I like my samsung

Tim Stone

7:56 PM

Yeah, the one that you linked looks a lot nicer than the cheaper ones in many ways (including the size), so I don't see any compelling reason not to get it.

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I like my Apple Cinema Display... oh, right, that was taken from me and given to our senior designer :-(

drachenstern

yarr just nervous to get into a bad one ya know?

Tim Stone

Heh, fair enough.

drachenstern

@rchern like this one at all? newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001386

rchern

2343

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7:59 PM