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12:00 AM
(goodbye in his own unique way ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException Nah, he's referring to someone else entirely. I swear.
 
You're merely a sockpuppet then? ;-)
 
If not I'll say hello to him with my giant <b> tag the next time we meet
 
Oooh I have my own programming language now?
 
12:01 AM
I was wondering if you'd ever respond!
I was starting to get depressed
 
Aww.
I was busy and not looking at the chat.
 
(-:
@rchern Like I should have been. LOL. Actually I managed to have a pretty good day, surprisingly
 
@rchern Hmmm..? Where?
 
up there ^^^^ heh
 
@rchern Up... where? Oh haha very funny
 
12:04 AM
25 mins ago, by The Unhandled Exception
Better than @rchern's own programming language. It's like brainf*ck but based entirely on backwards smileys
 
25 mins ago, by The Unhandled Exception
"hello world" in rcherncode: (-: !
 
Actually I just realized that would be way too simple. If it's like brainf*ck it would have to be more like (-: )-: o: (-: q: q: (-: q: o= (-: o: o: o: p: |: (-: (-: o=
2
Wow @rchern I just realize your meta rep is soaring, nice work!
 
hehe
that's a lot of smilies
 
Well in true brainf*ck it would be:
>+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.[-]
>++++++++[<++++>-] <.>+++++++++++[<++++++++>-]<-.--------.+++
.------.--------.[-]>++++++++[<++++>- ]<+.[-]++++++++++.
 
@TheUnhandledException I think that says "leave me alone, I'm working!" in smileys, no? Either that or it's a complete calculator app (brainf*ck always confuses me with shorter expressions doing more than longer expressions, I figure they got a lot of nops)
@TheUnhandledException you quoting wikip again?
you could've at least FHCd the article
 
12:12 AM
I really know nothing about brainf*ck, LOL
@drachenstern No, helloworld.org :-)
 
@drachenstern, I don't know why, because your nick is obviously longer than mine, but if I just glance I manage to focus on "rachen" in the middle or "ern" at the end and for a split second I think it's my nick.
 
lol, interesting ... well you won't get me to change it :p
 
haha
 
@rchern COUGHonceitedCOUGH
 
wavers on his resolution for a moment ;)
 
12:14 AM
@drachenstern Run, before she assimilates you!
 
ROFL
@drachenstern, @MichaelMrozek is scared of me. You should be more careful with what you say.
q:
 
yey XMPP now supports /help, /fkey and /cookie!
 
@rchern I am certain that you would do no more than (have me) ban(ned) me from SO ;)
 
and it actually stores your chat fkey and cookie
 
12:16 AM
@drachenstern No fair. I can't respond with "I can't ban you"
 
@TheUnhandledException I thought that will award the person with a cookie. Sad that that's not the case
 
hahaha, I didn't think you had that power mydear
 
@YiJiang It is rather disappointing, isn't it?
my dear? my dear?
 
sure why not?
 
@YiJiang It's because you didn't pass in the "chocolate chip" argument.
 
12:17 AM
@YiJiang Submit a patch :-)
@TimStone OK. I'm going to code that now, LOL
 
@TimStone + mint
 
just a thing where I'm from
 
Excellent! I like helping.
 
@rchern has lots of mod connections. They talk all the time, in the secret chatrooms she won't give us the passwords to
 
Finally. After years of people calling it a "cupholder," the cookie dispenser tray is finally going to get a driver made.
 
12:19 AM
@MichaelMrozek hehehe, I figured as much ;)
 
@MichaelMrozek this is not true!
 
/cookie 12345
(07:20:48 PM) The_tavern: cookie set to  12345. You must also send your fkey with /fkey before you can chat
/cookie
(07:21:57 PM) The_tavern:  12345
/cookie chocolate chip
(07:22:10 PM) The_tavern: You get a chocolate chip cookie!
syntax: /cookie or /cookie <cookie-value> or /cookie chocolate chip
 
:D
Sure, sure.
 
    when /\/cookie( .*)?/
        if $1.nil?
          @user.cookie
        else
          if $1 == " chocolate chip"
            "You get a chocolate chip cookie!"
          else
            @user.cookie = $1
            if @user.authenticated?
              "cookie set to #{$1}. You are now logged in and can send messages to the chat"
            else
              "cookie set to #{$1}. You must also send your fkey with /fkey before you can chat"
            end
          end
        end
      else
I am so leaving that in!
 
Hahah, excellent
 
12:28 AM
Yes I know that code is horrid and ugly
I intend to post a SO question to get some cleanup help later
 
I don't know Ruby, so s'all good to my eyes.
 
But now I am off to P.F. Chang's for some nomability!
 
@TheUnhandledException if $1 == " chocolate chip" -> if @user.username == "rchern" $1 = " mint" + $1
 
@drachenstern LOL. I'll file a bug ;-)
 
lol, ya know how magic strings are ;)
 
12:32 AM
OK I'm out, later everyone!
 
@TimStone oy!
 
@rchern Proof is proof. ;)
 
I'll take 105 proof
 
@TimStone photoshop and/or dom manipulation is cheating. (;
 
I did nothing of the sort :P
 
12:43 AM
mmhmm
 
We all saw Marc post that screenshot!
 
(;
What you forgot though is
 
And for the record, I used Paint, because Photoshop is on my laptop. ;)
 
in Chat feedback, Oct 22 at 7:19, by Marc Gravell
No, she's not there. I'm talking to an empty room.
 
Plausible deniability!
 
12:49 AM
 
I think that version is a little blurry.
Specifically where your gravatar is.
 
q:
 
Heheh
 
funny how that's the only part of the picture that is blurry isn't it?
 
Image compression techniques work in mysterious ways.
 
12:50 AM
How lucky for us that you were able to restore the image then.
 
Happy to help!
 
now I really wants some
anybody feel up to helping me rubberduck something?
 
1:05 AM
@drachenstern quark
 
SQL:
SELECT
      COUNT(d1.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId)
    --, d1.ReadDate
FROM dbo.MeterReadIntervalDetail1 d1
LEFT JOIN dbo.MeterReadIntervalDetail d
    ON d1.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId = d.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId
    AND d1.ReadDate = d.ReadDate
WHERE d.ReadDate IS NOT NULL
returns 64397890 out of 270+ million records, as I expected it would. Those two fields given are the key on the table (detail so no independent autoincrement key)
 
@drachenstern Okay...
 
I want to use those 60million to EXCLUDE on the import of the next run, so I'm not sure I have the other half right ...
;WITH SkipTheseIndexes ( MeterReadIntervalHeaderId, ReadDate ) AS (
    SELECT
          d1.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId
        , d1.ReadDate
    FROM dbo.MeterReadIntervalDetail1 d1
    LEFT JOIN dbo.MeterReadIntervalDetail d
        ON d1.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId = d.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId
        AND d1.ReadDate = d.ReadDate
    WHERE d.ReadDate IS NOT NULL
)
    INSERT INTO dbo.MeterReadIntervalDetail1 (
    <fieldlist>
            )
    SELECT  <fieldlist>
    FROM dbo.MeterReadIntervalDetail d
I snipped the fieldlist for easier viewing
 
@drachenstern Probably the wrong person to talk to since you've lost me at that line
 
sorry
it's the join I'm not sure about
in the first list, I took all the records that existed in both tables by taking IS NOT EXIST on the second table
so in the second list, since it has 60 million of 495 million, I want all the ones where the s.MeterReadIntervalHeaderId doesn't exist ...
because for the ones that DO exist in the first list, they exist in the list because they were already present ...
I'm pretty sure it's right
I'm gonna trigger it and go home
the two options are I see "64397890 records inserted" or I see "[495million - 64397890] records inserted
if the first, then I know that I gotta scan for dupes anyways, if the second then it was right
I love seeing disk usage spike to 130MB/sec (not that fast, yet, I know)
still faster than 33MB/sec tho :p
time for going home, thanks @YiJiang for the ear and the rubberducking
 
1:22 AM
@drachenstern Sure, erm... you're welcome
 
1:34 AM
reappears
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Q: Is there any way to force my Linux box to always boot up with a self-assigned IP address?

Jeremy FriesnerHi all, This is perhaps an unusual request: I'm trying to get a Debian Linux box to always give itself a self-assigned IP address (i.e. 169.254.x.y) on boot. In particular, I want it to do that even when there is a DHCP server present on the LAN. That is, it should not request an IP address f...

....Er.
 
2:29 AM
slinks in the door and lurks in the corner
@YiJiang ... yep, you helped ;)
 
Heh
 
hehe
 
heheh
 
Why is the text in the tag dark? That makes me unhappy.
 
2:35 AM
@TimStone Oy, you broke the chain
 
yeah, I'm pretty sure that's been reported
 
@YiJiang I stifled the silliness, even.
Ah, very good.
 
@TimStone damn you
 
the post originally had a status tag in it that looked bad, but it was edited out
 
@room because you know you're masochists and want to hurt yourselves yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm
 
2:37 AM
@rchern Ha!
 
Hahah
 
@drachenstern Stop the madness! Don't repost that link!
 
lol
I said you were a masochist :p
@YiJiang at least I didn't bit.ly it or something
 
@drachenstern The URL is innocent and sweet-sounding enough
 
I know
hence I had to put a warning about being a masochist ;)
 
2:44 AM
@radp, your SO Live scripts are showing duplicate notifications (seems to be when I don't dismiss it before the next interval in chat), and on the sites it makes my rep jump up above the actual level so that when I refresh the page my rep appears to go down.
In other news, my accept rate on meta is now 100% >_>
 
@rchern Could be someone withdrawing the vote?
@rchern Nooooooo.....!!! A 0% accept rate should be the holy grail for any meta inhabitant
 
@YiJiang, I initially thought that, but it does seem to be somewhat predictable and regular.
I've been noticing it ever since I installed the userscripts and am only now mentioning it because of that.
 
a 0% accept rate? what is that, an odd game?
 
Oh no. Nick Craver just logged on. Now how am I going to answer jQuery questions!?
@drachenstern Erm... yeah, duh
 
2:48 AM
@YiJiang rhetorical ;)
 
might as well have 100% accept rate on one site.
 
Mine is 66%. I'm ashamed it's so high
 
@rchern I actually have 100% accept rate on all sites except MSO except for the fact that except MSO, I have not asked enough questions for the accept rate thing to show up
 
Oh, I take that back. I have 100% AR on SO too
 
2
Q: Is it possible for me to have an e-mail account in a Stack Exchange domain?

user152207Hello, Is it possible to get an email account in my-site.stackexchange.com domain? If so, how can I get it? Cheers, Tomek

am I the only one that wants that?
expects so
 
2:51 AM
Hmm... three 'except's in one messsage... I need to refactor my thoughts
 
What's accept rate? cough
 
@TimStone The percent of cookies you accept from strangers on MSO, of course
 
Ah, no one offers me any cookies. I should give better answers. :(
 
@TimStone, oh no....
 
@drachenstern I can maybe see it for mod use, but generally sites don't just give you e-mail accounts on their domain because you're a user there
 
2:55 AM
> If this session timeout fix works for <vendorA>, can we apply the same type of logic for <vendorB> and <vendorC> that we are adding? <Name> checked with <vendorB> and they have a timer for logouts too that sends users to the login screen.
 
@rchern Hahahahah
Oh no
shakes fist
 
@MichaelMrozek hence the forpay ... but also, given the jobsite and the flair, seems like it might be a reasonable thing
@rchern so will you help a slow boy? does that mean you can use the same logic for both apps, or twice the headache?
 
said session timeout fix is....um....horrible doesn't begin to express it.
 
MINTBERRY CRUNCH! </South Park>
@rchern It's best not to speak about it.
 
I'm just assuming she means headache^2
 
3:04 AM
I don't though. It's one line of code the vendor adds to their login page for us.
 
@drachenstern ^ What she @rchern like now
 
On my page now, I've got a basic iframe, I have to add id="url=http://url.to/my/page" and then the vendor adds if (self != top) for (var el in top) if (el.indexOf("url=") >= 0) top.location.replace(el.substring(4));
@drachenstern, so the only headache is the travesty that is that code.
 
well that's not terrible.
 
@rchern How could you come up with something so evil?
shakes head
 
3:08 AM
@drachenstern yes. yes it is.
 
@rchern Holy crap that is bad
You're sure you've got no alternative?
 
@TimStone some guy named @TimStone came up with it for me actually (;
 
@YiJiang It's an embedded IE control anyway (right?), it's pretty much game over. :P
@rchern I was going to deny it, but unfortunately my message is still the star list :P
 
hehe
 
I couldn't even convince myself, tragic.
 
3:10 AM
@rchern it could be worse.
I'm sure of it
 
I'm really not sure exactly how it could be
 
I'm trying to think of how, but I'm sure there's worse travesties
 
@drachenstern Well, this is true. It's automatically better than the vendor's code, since if the vendor's code wasn't terrible this wouldn't be necessary. :P
 
lol@TimStone see there you go @rchern
 
To be fair, I dunno how else the vendor could handle it.
It isn't unreasonable to expect a site to have a session timeout.
 
3:12 AM
@rchern they could use ajax and notify the user instead of redirecting?
 
hm?
 
idk, maybe I'm just picky for the way I get to do things. We don't do an 8hour session timeout so ....
 
Doesn't matter what the timeout is. 20 minutes, an hour, 8 hours, 24 hours, whatever.
 
yum yum P.F. Chang's!
 
1 year
 
3:14 AM
you eat there a lot (;
 
@rchern Hm.....I suppose that actually is true. But if you were able to reissue the SSO every time the page got focus or something (with rate-limiting) and have the session update...I dunno. I guess I'm being unreasonably harsh.
 
@rchern I sure do, best restaurant in town!
 
@TimStone so embed the username/password (or auth token) in the page?
 
@drachenstern, it's a site for placing orders. if you open your bank's webpage, you want that to timeout, right?
 
yes, and I want it to not be overridden
but amazon I don't mind if I stay logged in forever
you're overriding the auto-logout in a manner of speaking, right?
 
3:16 AM
this isn't an amazon kind of site. it's more like your bank's in terms of security.
 
We're discussing an iFrame that breaks out which you're wrestling with @rchern?
 
@TheUnhandledException Yeah, so I kept buying these Wanchai Ferry meals at the grocery store...meant for "two people" (lies). Then I looked at the nutritional facts per serving and died a little inside.
 
@TimStone don't ya hate it when that happens?
 
@TimStone how much sodium do you get a day now?
 
@TimStone Ug. Better than Hot Pockets I presume
 
3:16 AM
@rchern interesting ...
 
@drachenstern When I was eating those, over 100% DRV
@TheUnhandledException Very true. ;)
 
@TimStone yeah, there's a reason I don't eat those that often :(
@TheUnhandledException truer words were never spoken
 
They're delicious....but....Self-restraint, heh.
 
The better it tastes, the worse it is for you.
 
most of the time, yes, sadly
 
3:20 AM
@rchern Unless it takes an obscene amount of effort to make.
 
like 10 gallons of chili... :-)
 
not necessarily
 
idk, the things I spend the most time on are often the absolute best things I eat
 
Spending a lot of time making it doesn't mean it's healthy for you though.
(is what I meant)
 
3:22 AM
Oh. true
 
Ah, the things I take time to make are, since I keep that in mind when going to the effort to make them ;)
 
it can be though
 
@rchern if I spend that much time cooking it it's from scratch with fresh whole foods that are healthy to begin with, and have a surprising lack of salt, oil and other craps
 
2 mins ago, by rchern
not necessarily
 
so yeah, it's quite healthy
 
3:23 AM
as in, sometimes
 
the frequency with which I goto that much effort, however
 
@drachenstern Yeah, therein lies the problem :P
 
I think we're all on the same page ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException yeah..
 
@rchern are you struggling with an iFrame?
 
3:29 AM
At work, yeah. It's pretty much hopeless. (;
 
Heheh :P
 
iFramed document is out of your control and is breaking out?
 
No
I think we're at a point where things may work as I need them too
2
 
ok. sorry, I'm late to the party as usual :-)
@rchern Good! Glad to hear it
 
As long as it works it doesn't matter if programmers are rolling over in their graves, right?
 
3:31 AM
@rchern Perhaps the only time an IE quirk has genuinely saved the day.
 
Was going to offer help but as usual you have it under control (-:
 
@rchern No dead programmers used JavaScript, it's OK. ;)
 
uh oh, relying on an IE quirk? eh... um ... I'm rolling over in my grave right now ...
 
Yeah, but all I have to support is IE.
 
That's probably a terribly inaccurate and mildly offensive statement, but uh..yeah. coughs
 
3:32 AM
@rchern Sounds like my nightmares!
 
oh, well ...
@TimStone do you mean my statement?
 
No, mine, hahah.
Disrespecting programmers passed and what not.
 
@TimStone Doesn't matter, almost all of the statements above that message is mildly offensive
 
We are in a tavern after all hic
 
;)
 
3:35 AM
"Supporting only IE", yeah, that's quite offensive :P
 
It's an embedded web browser control :P
 
@TimStone Which by itself is pretty horrid. (Used one of those before)
Tinkered around it for a while to see if I can plug another rendering engine into it :)
 
Hah
 
haha
 
@TheUnhandledException, to sum up, desktop application contains an embedded IE control. Said control is pointed at my page on the intranet. Said page contains an iframe pointed at a vendor's page. Said vendor's page times out and goes to a log out page they can't use as I sso them in (as one might expect and is reasonable). Unfortunately, the only way my users had prior to awful fix is close the desktop app and reopen, resetting their entire broker workstation.
Really, it's the desktop app that's at fault for forcing me to put it in the iframe. Or the vendor for making me do their implementation.
Ok, so that didn't end up being so short.
Anyways >_>
 
3:38 AM
Heheh :P
 
ahhhhhhhh
That makes perfect sense @rchern
And so the IE hack fixed it. Got it
 
Essentially. (cross your fingers it still works when they put it on their page and we test!)
 
I was going to suggest a proxy but that's a much harder solution
built one before for an MLS app,similar deal
had to inject javascript into the remote app
 
@TheUnhandledException I was thinking cross-domain ajax, but nah
 
I've still got my fingers crossed, it's why I made the mistake in the userscript earlier. :P
 
3:42 AM
oO
 
Oh god. This person actually exist
erjiang, Indiana, US
2.1k 3 16
FYI, 'yi' is the pinyin of "one" in Chinese, and 'er' is the pinyin of "two"
 
Why did you just post a link to your sockpuppet account @Yi?
2
 
@TheUnhandledException Just wait till you see "sanjiang" pop up ("san" -> three)
 
Two can play at this game!
 
3:45 AM
@YiJiang Hm, my Mandarin counting is getting a little rusty, as are my Cantonese swears..
 
oy
 
@TheUnhandledException He's got the [sock-puppet] tag!
 
@rchern don't cvetch. You knew it was coming! (-:
 
lmao
 
3:46 AM
@YiJiang He does! And he [support]s [chat]
 
"support chat sock-puppets"
 
and his location is on my hand, lol
 
He even has a slogan!
 
@TimStone chi'bai! (That's erm... Cantonese or Hokkien for vagina)
There's also this guy apparently
 
@YiJiang Hong Kong spoiled me with its abundance of English :P
 
3:50 AM
Well I'll leave you puppets to talk amongst yourselves. Off to watch a movie and then bed.
 
G'night
 
Goodnight @rchern @Tim @Yi and @drachenstern!
 
@TheUnhandledException Ahem... three letters, how can you forget? (Or are you been deliberately obtuse?)
 
night
 
I was definitely in the process of doing something a little bit ago...Hm.
 
3:59 AM
@TimStone you too?
 
Yeah, thankfully I remembered now.
'Ello @PopularDemand
 
It's almost creepy watching how accurate the lip sync is:
Actually, it's creepiest when it first starts, you hear the female voice singing and the male actor lip syncing, and your brain takes that one second the realise that the voice isn't coming out of his throat
 
4:19 AM
Hahah
 
Anybody know the max length of the display name?
 
@rchern maxlength on the display name input is 30
 
@rchern The textbox has max length 30
Heh
 
Hrm.
 
I've got a question to migrate to WM.se:
 
4:27 AM
Getting an error trying to import the data dump and apparently the error message could be because the string is longer than the column width.
 
4
Q: Multi Language URLs

justinlI'm building an online store that will be supported in 3 languages: English, Traditional Chinese, and Simplified Chinese. My question is whether or not it is a good idea to make language specific URLs for SEO purposes. So if I'm viewing the site in english, the urls on the product page are in e...

 
anybody here pretend to write c# code?
 
@drachenstern @rchern pretends to write C# code :P
 
[AboutMe]        [NVARCHAR](2100)    NULL,
[DisplayName]    [NVARCHAR](40)    NOT NULL,
[EmailHash]      [NVARCHAR](40)    NULL,
[Location]       [NVARCHAR](100)    NULL,
[WebsiteUrl]     [NVARCHAR](200)    NULL
 
@rchern Well that's odd. I wonder who would it be... (ahem, super long names are hilarious)
 
4:29 AM
one of those is the problem >_<
 
@rchern Should be enough... unless they don't do any server-side checks for the name, which is 99.999% improbable
@rchern Increase about me. I don't think they have a hard limit on that
 
does an IObservable have to send OnNext in a synchronous fashion? Can they trigger an event out of order, so like, trigger OnCompleted before all the OnNext get finished?
Must they spool serially? Or can only one call to OnNext be in flight at any one time?
I guess that's a question of what's true of all Events tho?
 
@YiJiang good call.
 
BoltClock is mass retagging all of the CSS questions right now, which is screwing up the front page sort order
 
4:48 AM
?
Ok, so it bumps in the active, but if it has answers that'll lessen the score.
 
@rchern The mass retag is churning up a lot of old cruft which I don't really want to see on my shining new homepage
 
Also, I don't have css in my interesting tags.
Maybe I should.
 
Tag edits should count for less unless it caused the question to enter your interesting tags, hrm.
 
I just added it to mine @rchern
 
0
Q: Finding closest element value jquery

SOer<table> <tr><td> <div><img src="1.jpg">text<span class="get">aa</span> <span class="click">Get value</span></div></div></td></tr> <tr><td> <div><img src="2.jpg">text<span class="get">bb<...

> How do i get closest value of class get when class click is clicked?
^ Classical!
 
4:56 AM
omg the horrors of that post ...
eep
 
0
A: How to compile a java program from directory?

AceWell the easy way is to set ur classpath variable. Since from screen shot it seems ur using windows i suggest u right click the my computer nd select properties. Go to advance setting and click environment variable tab. Then a new window pops up which has System Variable at bottom. Select new an...

 
can I reformat for legibility? Please?
 
twitches
x_o
 
@drachenstern Already did that
 
x_o ?? maybe x_X
@YiJiang thanks
 
4:59 AM
@drachenstern The HTML is invalid, btw. Too many closing </div> tags
 
Yeah I'm seeing this
it's making me twitchy too
 
Haha. What the heck. Importing SO's data dump returned an exception that there isn't enough disk space. I have 839gb free on one disk and 974gb free on the other. So regardless of which my sql data is on, pretty sure there's space. ):
 
@rchern obviously you're not using the right method for math here ... remember their calculations ;)
 
Ah, that's one of my favourites, heheh.
 
ok, so it's not 100% valid to this situation, but I can FHC it for you if that'll help (no)
 
5:11 AM
@rchern Autogrowth is enabled for the database and all that?
 
Yeah. Doesn't seem to be working all that well though.
 
I find that many errors from SQL Server are due to artificial limits, heh.
@rchern What version do you have?
 
Ah. Apparently the edition of sql server I have is limited to a 4gb database.
 
Ah, that answers that question ;)
 
sql express?
 
5:17 AM
Good thing that the exception message actually told you what the real problem was, heh.
 
@TimStone you can get SQL Server to give you useful error messages?
do tell, how?
 
Yeah, I was having trouble finding the right place to put emphasis to illustrate my level of sarcasm. :P
 
I thought the heh did it
or maybe it was pretending that SQL had useful exception messages in the first place ... or was that just irony?
 
I like SSIS exception messages the best.
 
I wish more error messages were in Haiku
 
5:22 AM
"The component failed with error code: xxxxxxx. There might be an actual error message 50 lines above this, but good luck finding it."
 
The server is down
An exception was thrown and caught
See 0xDEADBEEF
people confuse me
I don't think I'll ever understand them either
 
I just opt not to try. :P
 
5:36 AM
ok, I'm getting really frustrated by people, so I'm gonna go log off and not start cussing them out for being dumb, already done that once this week
 
@drachenstern Hahah, sounds like a good call :)
 
6:04 AM
Unbelievable. W3Schools just updated their site again without changing their decade out markup
I really have to tip my hat to the poor designer who help them do that, working with nested table and the center tag... man
 

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