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8:08 AM
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A: How to run the chat on the browser sidebar?

lovinglinuxFor Firefox you can do this: bookmark the chat address, the right-click in the bookmark, select "Properties" then tick the option "Load this bookmark in the sidebar". install User Agent Switcher Extension download an agent list (sample here) and import it into User Agent Switcher or add th...

Seems a little desperate to me, going out and running the iPhone version of the chat
I wonder if there's any other way to do this
 
Oh no, it's @radp
 
@YiJiang ,a
 
What on earth does that mean, anyway?
 
@radp Hmmm? Haha.. right, you'll want that
 
8:26 AM
Hmmm:
alert(data) = {"error":true, ...}
alert(data.error) = Undefined
anyone?
Oh nope. got it
 
@AidenBell didn't javascript choke on your attempt to assigning a value to a function?
> alert(data) = {"error" : true};
ReferenceError: Invalid left-hand side in assignment
 
8:41 AM
@radp - sorry the '=' wasn't literal
that was me showing what it output
the problem was a 'Content-Type: ' header going missing
I was getting the string " {"error":true, ...}" and it wasn't being objectified
 
9:03 AM
@Aiden, you still here? Should I post the congrats message in this thread:
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Q: Wrong congrats message on 500 rep

CharlesBA little bit strange, on SO I climbed over 500 rep (a second time, first time was ~2 weeks ago, but it went back under 500 after SO outage that forgot an accepted answer), and I get the message "Congrats, you've gained the privilege to vote up" There must be something wrong...

It would be a link from "the wrong congratulations message", and I might post that as an answer, in defiance of the Thought Police.
 
... what thought police?
 
@MarkC - You sir, confuse me.
 
@Aiden, sorry, what did I do wrong?
@Radp The ones that sniped this answer!:
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A: SO awfully slow

Mark CThis is known as the Y1M bug, it has to do with how question numbers are stored. We've got top-notch legacy experts working on it right now.

 
uuuuh, +2/-1
 
@MarkC - Nothing, i'm just not following what you are saying. More sleep required.
 
9:09 AM
I wouldn't call that "sniped"
but the humour really is difficult to catch there
I couldn't tell you were joking yesterday
 
@Aiden I simply meant to ask if I should post the CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE WON THE 1,000,00TH S.O. QUESTION in psychedelic hot dog
 
@MarkC - Probably not unless you like downvotes ;)
 
Oh, come on, are you serious?!
 
@MarkC you could've but it'd be offtopic :)
 
@Aiden I guess but I have a martyr complex
"Let us go, that we may die."
 
9:11 AM
I mean, it'd be a fine thing to post if "one million questions" was really the problem, @markc
 
Yeah but it would be hilarious
And from my early days on Meta, it seemed humor was not crimethink.
 
while possibly hilarious, it's still the wrong answer
so it'd get downvoted
↑ what happens to spot on jokes
 
It took me a second take to notice all the mirror reflections and gradients
So should I shoot for it? Mainly I was worried that would spoil YiJiang's timer fun
At least, I understood that he was actually using that on the site somehow
 
@MarkC Hmm...? What me?
 
Hi there
 
9:18 AM
@MarkC What timer fun?
 
Your GIF >>>
 
@MarkC Whatever, use it as you please
 
Were you actually going to use it for the site?
 
@MarkC No. Why would I do that :P
 
Ok.
@YiJiang Well I thought maybe you were going to embed it with a timer or something
There isn't a way to strike through text in an answer, is there?
 
9:30 AM
@MarkC <del>Deleted stuff </del>
 
Ah, HTML markup works in the straight edit mode, eh?
 
@MarkC Yup. But it's a limited subset, for security purposes
 
 
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10:44 AM
Hmmm... air pollution here has just reached 'unhealthy' levels
Annoyingly, the web based air pollution index has gone offline - Server Too Busy
 
10:56 AM
Smells like a conspiracy
 
@spoulson Oh, haha
 
11:08 AM
Ugh. Can't wait to go home and sleep
 
11:59 AM
@radp This seems like the perfect fit for that little video of yours
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Q: Is there a video that explains how stackoverflow works and can be used

user152567Is there a video that explains how stackoverflow works and can be used, ie a short tutorial to get you started. If there isn't then the people behind this site or others who know how it works should make one because its overwhelmingly different from other sites and thus difficult for beginners

 
@YiJiang it's not final, though :(
 
@radp Probably still the best available option. Maybe the only available option.
 
@PopularDemand There's the Ubuntu video too.
 
askubuntu also seem to have a video, but I'm not sure what it covers
 
@radp I didn't know about that one.
 
1:25 PM
@YiJiang, merged in your pull request. I dunno what I did differently, it didn't show up like @MichaelMrozek's again. I'll try and remember to post a question on SO today asking the proper way to do this.
 
@rchern Okay, sure
Hmmm.... maybe Programmers might be better?
I'm not sure where version control questions belongs
 
heh, maybe
 
there should be an aggregated overflow, with all questions
 
@Fosco You mean like this?
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A: Can Stack Exchange follow a more generic approach?

Popular DemandMy first instinct on reading this question was like George's: "great, another one-site proposal from someone who's never heard of Yahoo! Answers." Now that I've read through the proposal, though, I kind of like it, even though it's far from perfect. This hypothetical SE 3.0 actually isn't that d...

 
@Fosco Stackexchange.com has a list of the most popular questions right now, not exactly what you asked for but... shrug
 
1:34 PM
@PopularDemand kinda, yeah... tags could be used to pick which site its really on
I just wouldn't mind watching an aggregated site and answering random questions from multiple topics. not that I think it will ever happen.
 
1:51 PM
-2
Q: What coat should i get?

user483047Hey i need a coat for winter and wanted some opinions which coat do you like?

 
@PopularDemand O_o
 
plzsendt3hcotez im freezin
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Quick, let's create shoppingadvice.stackexchange.com!
 
Go go go
 
Everything With A Question Mark
A Q&A site for everybody who has any question mark
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20 × OnTopic "What coat should I get?"
23 × OffTopic "Why are you so angry"
 
1:54 PM
Hey @Popular, how's the cool new 8,000 feeling? I just couldn't stand the sight of 7966.
 
5 × Not a Good Example "What's your favourite number??"
 
Radp, you mean person
 
@MarkC I suppose it's nice; between 3k and 10k the individual ks aren't that big of a deal.
 
3k is really the last rep unlock level
 
Argh, I was one step away from finishing my mockup and hit a wrong key. MS Paint is really unforgiving.
 
1:55 PM
ctrl-z?
 
At least the Win3.1-WinXP version is.
@radp Tried it, no effect.
 
unless the wrong button is No when asking if you wanted to save the document before quitting
@PopularDemand what was the wrong button, then?
 
@radp Not sure. I just smacked the edge of my keyboard by accident while turning around.
"Wrong keys," plural, may have been more accurate.
 
smack the other edge then.
 
Uh-oh, it's Pekka, hide the hamsters
@popular, did you check the edit menu to see if it was grayed out?
 
1:58 PM
@MarkC The only thing available was Paste.
 
maybe you pressed Ctrl-X then?
 
@Mark AFAIK, chat isn't powered by hamsters, but Californian squirrels.
 
@radp It's possible. It's well in the past, at any rate.
@radp When did not having a question mark ever stop anyone from posting a question?
 
@Pekka oh sorry, I had you confused with PETA.
So using squirrels makes it OK?
 
@Mark it's probably even worse!
 
2:03 PM
@PopularDemand It does on anythingwithaquestionmark.stackexchange.com
 
Can someone suggest why this answer got +1 -2:
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A: What happened to science.stackexchange.com?

Mark C My guess is that Science dropped off the map because of inactivity or got a new domain. Basically, in my limited understanding, SE 2.0 is an improved site design, and the sites are SE/SOIS-hosted and -managed. Other, less tired and more knowledgable users will provide links galore.

 
@MarkC because it is incorrect on both points
the example question "I hate the ? character" however will have a heated discussion with 40 comments discussing whether the question mark should necessarily be at the end
 
@MarkC Yeah, any answer that starts with "my guess is" is unlikely to fare well.
 
@PopularDemand If the guess is correct it'll be upvoted anyway.
 
@radp True, but by virtue of being guesses, they're less likely to be correct.
 
2:07 PM
@Radp Incorrect on both points/??
 
@MarkC yep!
 
Other 1.0 sites got axed, did they not? If the owners decided it wasn't worth the time for the returns, or it wasn't really growing.
 
@MarkC yeah, but you make it sound like Joel and Jeff dropped it off the map.
besides, there are many SE 1.0 ghost towns around
(and I really doubt Joel and Jeff would ever have a domain name move without setting up redirects)
 
No I don't. I used the intransitive form of the verb.
 
Also, SE 2.0 is much more than just a different CSS :)
SE 1.0 runs on jurassic age old codebase
 
2:10 PM
I guess I'll try to avoid qualifying phrases to give room for points that the other answerer(s) don't even bring up.
@Radp Well, I've given room for that in my description, and Balpha doesn't even mention it.
OH well
Not Balphing Basha, you understand.
 
Well, I'm explaining to you the way your post read to me
 
@Radp Also, do you know how to get a list of the old sites that used to be on StackExchange?
I don't see what is not included in "design", holy mackerel.
 
@MarkC There are questions about it on meta.stackoverflow.com and meta.stackexchange.com
@MarkC try mathoverflow.com
 
Has the quick-vote, quick-answer mentality really had that much of an effect?
 
big differences are comment editing, comment replies, new and improved bounties, API
 
2:19 PM
Whew.. I just posted an answer concluding this stupid/crazy problem
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A: Account mixup on Stack Overflow

Yi JiangI'm going to post an answer, even though there really isn't a definitive answer, since the other party involved in this problem haven't been contacted over this (though I think I should). The problem seems to concern the user's ISP's overly aggressive caching behavior - displaying cached pages re...

I wonder if I should get Jeff to retag, since it isn't really [status-complete], given that this will still happen
status-not-really-our-fault
 
@Radp, right, that's all in "design". What do people not understand about that? It seems suddenly everyone adopted the "other" meaning for the word, even though I've almost never seen it used that way. Oh well.
@YiJ, will check it out
 
Mockupped!
 
@MarkC almost never? What's Jin talking about all the time then? :)
 
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A: Can Stack Exchange follow a more generic approach?

Popular DemandMy first instinct on reading this question was like George's: "great, another one-site proposal from someone who's never heard of Yahoo! Answers." Now that I've read through the proposal, though, I kind of like it, even though it's far from perfect. This hypothetical SE 3.0 actually isn't that d...

 
@PopularDemand oh lord
you couldn't have made a better point against this idea
 
2:25 PM
I'm surprised that question hasn't seen more votes. It is a lot to work through, but +2/-2 just seem tame compared to some of the other radical suggestion for the SE network
 
@pop please use balsamiq.com next time you want to make a mockup :)
 
@radp I would hope that they wouldn't use the site-specific styles, but I shouldn't have spent as much time on it as I did.
 
@radp +1. Sometimes, Paint just doesn't cut it. Well, most of the times anyway. Unless you need freehand circles
 
@YiJiang the least I could do as a non paying customer is spam about it :)
 
@radp Meh, that looks really complex.
 
2:27 PM
@PopularDemand Or, ermm... you could stick to paint >_>
 
@PopularDemand it's actually much easier :)
 
@radp I didn't even make it to the software. I'm not downloading a new application.
 
Gonna reboot, I can't understand what my computer is doing.
@radp That's pretty nice, actually. Right, back soon.
 
@PopularDemand it's actually exactly the same thing the "desktop" app does.
except the web app allows you to download watermarked PNGs out of it -- the free web version is actually better than the desktop free version :)
 
2:36 PM
I think this script is getting to powerful
 
what script?
 
To access @rchern's profile on SO, I just /switch to the sandbox, /profile so rchern, and used that instead of going to the SO users page...
@rchern I was actually curious whether you've asked that question
So where is it? :)
 
what question?
 
@rchern The one on git
 
oh i haven't yet. still playing catchup at work
that does bring up a question i wanted to ask. should /profile just show locally rather than send the message to the server?
 
2:40 PM
@rchern But the chat profile isn't terribly interesting
 
huh?
 
@rchern It's just an activity graph and a very small blurb about yourself
 
yes but where did i mention anything about the chat profile?
 
@rchern Eh... Well, if you mean getting the profile on the current site, well I thought that was a good idea
But then the first thing I did after creating that was to try to get my profile on SO
Because the MSO one just isn't interesting enough
I think it's important to be able to get profiles from arbitrary sites in the network
 
5 mins ago, by rchern
that does bring up a question i wanted to ask. should /profile just show locally rather than send the message to the server?
i simply meant show the output locally rather than send to the server
 
2:45 PM
@rchern Oh, erm... well, that confused me because I thought using the API meant sending to server, but that's totally different
Hmmm... it might be useful to be able to pull up a person's account from within the chat interface
 
i'm so confused right now.
 
@rchern No, erm.. I get what you mean
 
everybody can see that
maybe we just add the html locally instead
 
Let's see... which is more likely: I just want to see who this guy is on this site, or I need to show this profile to everyone
 
The latter.
We're all intensely nosy.
 
2:55 PM
hmmm. you really think that'd be the more likely?
 
If we're all intensely nosy.
 
@rchern I'm really not sure. The thing is, if we go for the former, we'd have to build a interface to display that information.
Of course if we go for the former we can always have a button somewhere that'll drop the profile URL into the #input
 
3:20 PM
i guess leave it for now shrugs
 
To close, or not to close?
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Q: Working out answer to question while asking it.

RodH257How many of us have done this before? I do it all the time, type out a question as thoroughly as possible and in the process discover the answer. It's one of the hidden benefits of stack overflow. My question is, what should you do if you type out a long question then realise the answer towards...

 
eh, the closed one is more just amazing!!
this one is asking a best practice i guess?
 
I will return when there are more controversial topics to discuss (unicorns vs. pandas).
 
3:36 PM
@MarkC emacs or vi?
 
wahoo! my combined flair has a rep of 10,001 hehehe
 
@rchern Congrats!
You've unlocked the ability to
um
hmm.
 
|:
 
I'll have to get back to you.
 
@PopularDemand Brag about it
 
3:46 PM
@YiJiang Ah, that's right. I hit 10k a few weeks ago!
 
hey if i can't have 10K on one site, might as well take 10K across all sites!
 
Only half way there :(
 
i want to figure out how to do rounded corners on the image. i added it for the html version but that's just a css setting lol
 
@TimStone You're doing better than I would be doing if I had a non-ridiculous MSO rep.
 
3:51 PM
Heh. :P
 
4:08 PM
@PopularDemand How is that controversial? Obviously you would use Emacs if you need its special features, otherwise Vim > emacs > vi.
:)
Well, I'm just starting Vim so I'm sort of joking.
@Tim you should use the HTML output so we can hover over the little icons.
 
@MarkC Yeah, like that'll work here
No HTML, remember?
 
No, I don't remember. I only asked about answers, but I didn't really think about it. I guess that's not integrated yet (@Rchern get on it! Maybe your script can do it.)
 
hm?
 
@MarkC pancakes vs. waffles
@MarkC ponies vs. unicorns
@MarkC Java vs. C#
@MarkC badp vs. radp
 
@Rchern I was saying maybe your script could show HTML flair!
 
4:17 PM
@MarkC Firefox vs. Chrome
 
I could show it locally, but sending it to the server wouldn't work
 
vim vs emacs
 
@MarkC and KDE vs. Gnome. Opine.
 
@Radp see our earlier discussion about vim/emacs
it's really not controversial at all
:P
 
askubuntu vs unix.se
 
4:18 PM
@MarkC Except that you're wrong.
 
Sorry, I'm siding with @pop on this one
so long as @pop's opinion matches mine, which is quite unlikely
 
@Popular:
unicorns are a subset of ponies
pancakes are waffles without ridges
java and c#, well, i guess you can use them for different things
badp >< radp because i don't know the meaning of either
Okay, but which do you prefer and why?
@Pop and @Radp, I don't see why there's a need for any fanboyism when there is a time to use one tool and a time for the other.
 
in Gaming, Aug 25 at 16:01, by badp
subjective! argumentative! CLOSE!
@MarkC actually I use nano when I need a text editor and Ubuntu when I need an operative system :P
 
Don't make me get out the giant <b>...
 
@Radp I haven't tried Nano, but I was impressed by the calming design of the site. How is the editor?
 
4:22 PM
@MarkC it shows all the commands at the bottom of the screen.
I know, I know, an editor that can fit all of its commands on the screen!
 
@MarkC I'm pretty comfortable with pico. Who needs "advanced features"?
 
In two lines even!
 
@radp To be fair, one of the commands is "display more commands."
 
@Radp doesn't vanilla vi do that?
 
4:23 PM
Hey, EDIT.com probably had like 5 commands.
 
@MarkC are you kidding? edit.com had menus
 
Odd. They must have mapped nano to pico and not said anything.
 
Yeah but in total the number of commands was small
 
gasps
 
@Pop, um, isn't uhh, nano just an updated clone?
 
4:25 PM
@MarkC I'm not sure why you're using the past; win7 does have edit.com
 
oh. well...
 
edit.com does window splitting, which nano doesn't do.
edit.com has configuration screens nano lacks.
edit.com has inbuilt printing. nano doesn't.
 
So Nano is the poor man's EDIT?
 
@radp "In a world of 'doesn't,' edit.com does."
 
@MarkC well, edit is a text editor in a world that isn't Unix's, where you instead have many tools, each of which does one thing well, but just one thing :)
 
4:29 PM
@MarkC Yes.
 
I have a good question for you (all). Is there a good reason the Unix core utilities are all separate (vs. command.com, e.g.) and able to be deleted, have their permissions changed, or moved, rendering them and your system potentially frozen (until a reboot or rescue I guess)?
 
uh, bash does have builtin commands
 
@MarkC You're complaining that your OS doesn't treat you like an idiot and does give you freedom and control?
 
@PopularDemand Some people like being caged in. I avoid those people.
 
@TimStone At least it's not too hard, since they're, y'know, caged in.
 
4:32 PM
@MarkC anyway, if I don't like the system's implementation of chmod because I'd rather have something that is ext3 aware -- I can do that
 
@PopularDemand This is true. I like to set realistic goals for myself, so the sense of convenience is greatly appreciated.
 
No one has answered the question yet.
It seems.
 
@MarkC Even if you don't like the answer it's still an answer, sorry
 
@MarkC Giving system files preferential treatment takes more work and resources than not doing so.
 
Meaning bundling them?
 
4:35 PM
@PopularDemand Linux does have system permissions
 
We all know the real answer is "Stop running as root" anyway.
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@radp It's no Windows.
 
@TimStone Try telling that to SuperUser
 
For further discussion, please see Programmers SE.
 
Just look at their general room, Root access
 
4:36 PM
@Radp what are you even talking about that is an "answer"? Popular's first is basically a reaction with an assumption but no justification or explanation why you would need that freedom.
Yes, yes, the SU mantra is "We demand root access."
 
@radp This makes me sad, yet also fails to surprise me.
 
@TimStone I tried to make a channel that does it right, but then this is what you get
 
@TimS Don't tell me you haven't seen that yet! you, of all people!
 
it is truly hopeless.
 
4:38 PM
@radp Those heathens!
 
@radp Haha
 
@MarkC Er, no? I don't visit SuperUser.
 
sudo make me a chatroom
 
@TimStone see, that's why the Unix and Linux sites had to split from SU :D
 
@YiJiang Forget IRC, that's how we should have made the chat commands
 
4:40 PM
yep, bash commands all the way!
 
Weird... they seem to have left the status egg in SU chat
 
Egg?
 
@radp Good call :P
status-bydesign
 
I see.
 
yesterday, by Popular Demand
@radp They should just make it a command line interface, a la http://uni.xkcd.com
And that's where Michael Mrozek is.
 
4:41 PM
just, maybe don't implement touch
@rchern would appreciate that
 
hm?
 
@PopularDemand I was just reinforcing your point, of course.
 
@TimStone Why, I appreciate that.
 
It's important to keep the good ideas alive.
 
@radp what would i appreciate?
 
4:43 PM
@TimStone Goes over to SO Tavern, sees pinned post, feel like picking up giant <b> tag all over again
 
Someday, I hope to be able to hop onto uni.xkcd.com and just telnet unix.stackexchange.com.
 
@rchern don't make me pull out the fsck jokes ._.
 
@radp Ouch ouch ouch.... bad jokes alert...
 
@PopularDemand Then rm -r askubuntu.com?
@YiJiang Heheh :P
 
Okay, so can you guys give some brief, non-reactive reasons why it is good (or useful) to separate the command files?
 
4:46 PM
@TimStone Mrozek is already spending all his free time on that.
 
@YiJiang I know
 
@PopularDemand It's nice to see his evil manifesting itself in constructive ways.
 
ln -s askubuntu.com unix.stackexchange.com
 
wooosh Never mind, Google is pretty easy to use.
 
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Q: Misaligned table on privileges page

JamesThe privileges and the percentages do not line up on http://stackoverflow.com/privileges. They seem to be misaligned by about half a line. Edit: I'm seeing this in IE7.

@YiJiang Quickly, we need to hack into the production servers and fix that before Jeff comes along and says something like "And that's why we use tables"
 
4:53 PM
Easier solution: We all vote to delete the question right now.
 
sure. i just need 872 rep first.
 
@rchern He said delete, not close.
 
oh
then i'm gonna need a bit more rep than just 872...
 
Would someone be so kind as to explain good reasons for separating the system utlities in Unix?
 
We might have to rep tag team for this one..
 
4:56 PM
Oh rats, I forgot about the higher rep.
 
Here, a classic
 

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