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12:00 AM
I don't have the rep, but that doesn't seem like a good tag, honestly.
 
sure, sec
there
 
If anything, [one-box], but really, I think [chat] and [feature-request] are just fine.
Or, ya know, not. Heh.
 
I think magic link describes it the best so far..
 
Well, 2 things... 1) magic links aren't what they're called, and 2) isn't [chat] and [feature-request] sufficient?
 
What are they called?
and yes, chat and feature-request could be enough
 
12:04 AM
^^^
 
one-box?
I've never heard it called that
 
Also, search the logs.
Doesn't seem worth creating the tag.
 
Any idea when the rollout for stackexchange sites will be?
 
3-4 weeks
 
excellent...
 
12:08 AM
what do you mean @Ocaasi?
 
i am on cooking.stackexchange.com there's no chat feature local to that site yet. i can set up a cooking chat room here, but it won't be linked to the questions on cooking.se.com
each se site will eventually have it's own chat.subject.stackexchange.com
 
Ah, ok. I read it as graduating from beta status.
I was confused. (:
 
rollout from Beta is 90 days after inception
 
np. don't know how long things keep the beta tag around here, but maybe it will coincide with the rollout
 
or rather, evaluation
 
12:10 AM
there ya go
 
Just note, if a lot of conversation starts going on in here it would be best to move to the Tavern or another channel. @MarcGravell Reads the log to check for ideas and/or bugs, and we don't want to make him wade through unrelated messages
 
I would be surprised if they rollout chat for the SE sites before the graduate from Beta status as there's no guarantee a site will do that until the evaluation at the end of the beta.
@Chacha102, this is directly related to chat feedback is it not?
 
@rchern I'm not saying its not. I'm just making a PSA
I have a feeling they will have it even during beta. Especially because the active community members will want to discuss the direction in which the site should be going
 
Um, thanks for your psa then I guess?
stupid keyboard layout switching haha
 
UI question about links. From the comment permalinks, there is a transcript, with two links: chat | utc. If you click chat it comes back to the room. If you click utc it goes to the day's full transcript. The transcript page has two links as well: chat | local. Local is the name/link of that page. Why the difference between utc, the link name, and local, the destination page?
 
12:26 AM
I would assume one begins the day at 0:00 UTC, while the other begins at 12:01 AM local time.
 
Check it out by clicking the gray arrow next to a post. You'll see what I mean. The 'utc' link goes to the 'local' page, so if there is a difference, the links make it seem as if two different words are being used for the same thing.
:58656 Testing a reply to my own message.
testing a reply to shog9's message
neat feature.
:58642 one more test
Minor UI, but if you use the reply feature on your own message, it doesn't 'work': it doesn't highlight the post (or a previous post you select), nor does it tell you the feature doesn't work for your own message. Instead it inserts a 5 digit number beneath your post.
 
12:41 AM
:58692 lame.
Feature Request: infinite scrolling. Clicking that little button tires me.
5
 
which button, older messages?
 
yeah, that one
if there's a "newer messages" button, then that one too
hey - can you do future replies? YES!
 
does infinite scrolling tax the servers?
 
shouldn't be any different from someone clicking the button
 
Well, infinite scrolling would just click the button when you got near the top
 
12:48 AM
there'd just be a few more unnecessary loads, as people scrolled near the top without actually intending to go further back
 
I think it would be reasonable to ask for infinite scrolling
 
 
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2:24 AM
feature-request: the 'featured posts' sidebox should allow you to expand the quote without taking you to the entire transcript of that day's chat. the two places I looked first for this were the gray box that appears on mouseover, and the ellipsis.
repost from teacher's lounge: better oneboxing for chatroom links, as described here: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/59107?offset=-300
 
link not found. Are you a member of the Community Mod/Mod room?
Ah, You probably are
 
yes. teacher's lounge is the se mod chat
its a repost of an exchange i had with jeff a few minutes ago
 
I need to get me into those Mod chats eventually...
 
im putting it here so that it doesnt get lost/gets seen by the right people
 
lol
 
2:30 AM
Member for almost 2 years ... No Mod. Meh, I'll get it eventually
 
@chacha102: sign up for one of the new se2.0 sites and sink 5 hours a day into it. that's pretty much what i did :)
okay maybe not 5
 
10?
 
I can do it. I spent probably 7 hours on the site a day getting my Gold PHP Badge
if not 12
(Off and On really)
I actually got banned once for refreshing too often
The main problem is that the topics I'm interested in (Programming, Gaming, Web Applications) all already have great moderators
 
@Chacha102, what room are you in? :D
 
 
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6:53 AM
@ocaasi Simply; it looks like the "local" page went "ping". It is meant to re-apply your local time offset to the times.
Well, that is true - but do you often reply to yourself? You can't @mention yourself either. I'm not sure if this (self-reply) is a bug or not...
@rchern All blog posts? How do we know what is a blog? So does that become all urls? that would be... well, I'm not sure it is a good idea.
 
@marc take some time off :)
 
I've been told ;p
 
help me celebrate the death of meta-tags! blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/the-death-of-meta-tags
 
Laptop agrees I should take a break. Battery about to go
ttfn
 
did you nuke the meta-tag badges like Beginner too?
I think jon skeet had one of those
 
7:02 AM
yes all child badges were deleted as well, and badge counts reset on affected users
 
sounds like spring cleaning :)
are there also measures to prevent people from adding meta-tags to new questions?
 
yes, those 3 were added to the tag blacklist
 
cool
 
though in theory
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A: Should we permanently remove the [subjective] tag?

gnoviceIf the [subjective] tag were removed, I imagine another equally vague tag would simply rise to take its place as a way to categorize all of the somewhat-out-of-place-on-SO questions that currently wear the [subjective] brand. My guess would be that [discussion] and/or [poll] might be pressed into...

but, I don't really see those tags on SU or SF to the degree we had them on SO. So I believe these meta-tags became (incorrectly, of course) institutionalized and accepted
the only one that might prove troublesome is [homework]
 
are there now any tag-less questions?
 
7:07 AM
yes, see first comment on blog
 
ah, I read the post before your first comment :)
hmm, can't edit migrated questions like stackoverflow.com/questions/3031073/…
 
sounds good
 
hm, out of delete votes already doing [untagged]
@JeffAtwood [learning] is borderline, I just retagged an [untagged] to be [learning] (and something else) because it actually was about the learning process
 
7:23 AM
I just destroyed learning
so you might have recreated it
might be better if recreated on questions that actually justify it. kevin and I were looking at the list and didn't see much of value
 
true, it's not a high value tag
 
moving tagging discussion to different room
questions tagged [untagged] - help us retag 'em
 
I'm thinking some kind of "admin" mode (for chat) that displays lots of checkboxes (or other selector) and lets us move a bunch of messages between rooms... worth it ? Or overkill?
 
sufficient I think to select "these users and last (n) messages from them"
so it can be simpler.. just pick the users and their last (n) messages all go to the new room
 
"messages in this room " presumably
 
7:37 AM
micro-selecting each message feels like a real pain -- selecting users easier
also, the room "time-out" should still be implemented -- we need a snazzy client side countdown
 
plenty of other things to do first, of course...
Re timeout; implemented at backend - just needs UI and event-stream for client notify
 
I would like to see in-chat (non RHS) message starring go in pretty rapidly
as a complement to existing RHS starring of course
 
layout... over on the right? (so consistent) end of message?
problem is those damned timestamps
 
well the stars already appear
 
they push down any float:right
 
7:39 AM
here, I'll star your message
 
hence my "end of message"
 
so you should be able to click that star next to the word "timestamps"
 
if that is fine, then very little work
it used to work like that ;p
 
well it should work both ways I think is the insight here
 
old behavior:
 
7:40 AM
more ways = more discoverable
 
- no stars: silver star appears when you hover
- stared but not by you: silver star always
 
somewhat urgent request #2 -- [esc] in an empty chat box should stop avatar bouncing
 
- starred by you: gold star always
what was #1?
 
@marc that sounds fine. #1 was the starring which we are already discussing.
marc that is already starred, vote for andy e's thing in the RHS
> feature request: make the escape key stop the bouncing gravatar. Sometimes I don't have anything interesting to say in reply, but I'm a keyboard u
 
Kids are wiggle-dancing; let me see if I can hack something in (fires up main computer)
 
7:44 AM
this also has a lot of merit and might be easy, Marc
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Q: Show where you were referenced in the page title

RichardIn chat, as well as showing the unread count in the page (i.e. browser tab) title, also show an indication that you were refereed to (@name) in one of those unread messages. (5) Chat Feedback could become (5#) Chat Feedback Updated: as Marc noted, 5+ is likely to be interpreted as >5.

it is the weekend so feel free to just take the low-hanging fruit.. no need to knock yourself out.
if anything here is tough, just skip it 'til monday
 
7:57 AM
hi @Marc
 
Well #2 works
 
we can enter to two chat room in the same time ?
it takes too long "Loading Super User" when I tried to enter to super user chat room
 
@mgpyone try reloading that page
 
got it .. though I see my gravatar myself in SuperUser chat room. it's still can't get there though. reload.. reload.. reload =(
 
hmmm... if you know where to look, are there any script errors?
(loaded fine for me)
 
8:15 AM
what browser and version?
 
@mgpyone are you on a slowi-ish connection?
 
both on Chrome and Firefox latest.. @balpha .. it seems like that =S
 
try this:
$.ajaxSetup({timeout: 60000}); in your javascript console
the payload on room load is significantly higher than during regular use, but has the same timeout setting
(it's on our todo list to increase it)
it will retry and retry to load the room -- the first retry after you've increased the timeout then should work
 
8:35 AM
did you guys notice this in the markup?
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
that seems.. not .. right
 
jrk
9:06 AM
hmm, is there a lite version of the chat? my cpu is at ~30% when idle'ing in the chat :[
 
9:58 AM
@jrk: add mobile=true to the query part of the URL
Looks a bit messed up in Chrome though
 
10:23 AM
@MarcGravell Replying to your own post is certainly not common. I just noticed it as non-functional without a warning. I'm not sure you want to 'fix' it, I just figured that anything which doesn't work shouldn't half-work and not say why.
@MarcGravell On the merits, being able to link to a past post could be useful for a discussion which covers a long period of time, or takes place in a busy room. Still minor, but a possible function.
This is only a test:
 
@Ocaasi please use the Sandbox for your tests
re this:
in Chat feedback, 2010-08-07, by Ocaasi
@MarcGravell On the merits, being able to link to a past post could be useful for a discussion which covers a long period of time, or takes place in a busy room. Still minor, but a possible function.
that's possible, as you can see :)
 
11:08 AM
hmmm - need to reserve space for the star even when not used, but broadly works. And do the usual grey/gold thing
 
11:32 AM
@b
...@balpha Sure, permalinks work. But they don't have icons.
 
?
side note: you can edit your messages -- take a look at the FAQ
 
Your above example used a cut and pasted permalink, right, as opposed to the "reply to this message" which uses the icon
Or rather, how did you do that without using the "reply" feature?
 
sorry, but I honestly don't understand what you mean
I copied the permalink to the clipboard
 
Ok. I couldn't tell. And just pasting the permalink automatically posts the content as well? (re: that's possible, as you can see).
 
yes, it does that when the link is the only content on the line, but the link itself works either way: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/59659
 
11:39 AM
Ok. I still contend that it's potentially useful to "reply" to your own posts, but this is incredibly minor and would probably get used almost not at all.
 
 
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1:40 PM
@MarcGravell, say what now about blog urls?
 
@rchern - you were asking about blog onebox; do you mean any blog, or just the SO blog?
 
1:57 PM
Oh, it was someone else.
Uhh, they posted it on Meta, hang on...
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Q: SO Blog Magic Links for Chat

tzenesHey can we get blog.stackoverflow.com to be a magic link too? Similar to:

I think just the SO blog.
 
 
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3:26 PM
I'm guessing that you will place the start on such onebox-posts somewhere other than below the box?
 
3:43 PM
Is it intentional that [[test]](stackoverflow.com) doesn't work? I usually post tag links that way, but the [] within the link text breaks it
 
4:14 PM
evening :)
 
huh...
 
when i look at the room list with the "all" tab selected and the "active" button selected, I don't see the C# room. But if I selected the "people" button, it's there in that list. Is this intentional?
The C# room hasn't had any chat since yesterday, but then neither have other rooms that do appear in the "active" list.
 
4:53 PM
@CraigTP it is paged; I need to make that clearer
 
Hey @Marc, I assume you're going to move stars on oneboxes somewhere other than below the box? a bit annoying how everything jumps up and down when I mouse over the screen
 
@MarcGravell - That would explain it, however, I don't see any paging/navigation controls.
 
5:58 PM
@LasseVKarlsen They show up just to the right of the last word in the message for me
 
On oneboxes too? like the one about the magic links in chat above?
When I mouseover on that, it expands downards to make room for the star, which is then on a line of its own, when I move the mouse away, it hides and contracts back up
which makes things below move
 
Oh, no, I didn't know what you meant by "oneboxes"; that does show up on a separate line
 
 
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10:05 PM
re stars: yes; I've already noted that I need to reserve the space even when not shown
re room index / paging / "top" / whatever - yes, I'll fix that when I'm next "on"
 
10:40 PM
@Marc, still up?
It was around #54701
 

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